If that's all you are focusing on, fair enough, but to me the whole scenario seems lame - King doesn't think girl is good enough for his little boy, girl who has been toying with said prince's affections switches them to someone else, causing jealousy in jilted prince...etc...Voronwë the Faithful wrote:An actual romantic relationship. From the IMDB description, it is only an affectionate friendship.
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I said I thought it was bad. Just not too bad. Of course, we'll have to actually see it to know for sure. I take that guy's descriptions with a grain of salt (after all, he has never read the book).
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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And I suppose this Legolas-Tauriel-Kili plotline is far more interesting than actually developing the characters of all the dwarves, as PJ had said was so necessary...?
Two three-hour films, and based on a number of reactions already, neither of them have much at all in the way of dwarf character development.
Perhaps PJ was ultimately unconvinced of a lot of their acting? There are some very, very inexperienced actors in the dwarf crew.
ETA: One viewer suggests that Beorn
Two three-hour films, and based on a number of reactions already, neither of them have much at all in the way of dwarf character development.
Perhaps PJ was ultimately unconvinced of a lot of their acting? There are some very, very inexperienced actors in the dwarf crew.
ETA: One viewer suggests that Beorn
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Actually, from what I can gather, the bulk of Smaug's screen time is one on one interaction with Bilbo, which I am thrilled about. But you are very welcome to focus on the negative, or perceived negative.
When did Jackson say that developing the characters of all the dwarves was so necessary? My recollection was that he has consistently said that the focus would be on just five or six of them, at the most (which has turned out to be, as expected, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Bofur, Kili and Fili. Which makes perfect sense to me.
As for Beorn's screentime, that sounds about right.
When did Jackson say that developing the characters of all the dwarves was so necessary? My recollection was that he has consistently said that the focus would be on just five or six of them, at the most (which has turned out to be, as expected, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Bofur, Kili and Fili. Which makes perfect sense to me.
As for Beorn's screentime, that sounds about right.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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A number of people stated that the dwarf fight with Smaug is very long (and some said unnecessarily so).
The most negative reaction, for me, was a positive one. "It's basically a three hour action movie." Ugh.
PJ knows how to suck the lyricism right out of a story.
ETA: I'm starting to get into the managing expectations groove. This is good. Healthy.
The most negative reaction, for me, was a positive one. "It's basically a three hour action movie." Ugh.
PJ knows how to suck the lyricism right out of a story.
ETA: I'm starting to get into the managing expectations groove. This is good. Healthy.
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Beorn's screentime in relation to page-time in the book sounds about right.Voronwë the Faithful wrote:Actually, from what I can gather, the bulk of Smaug's screen time is one on one interaction with Bilbo, which I am thrilled about. But you are very welcome to focus on the negative, or perceived negative.
When did Jackson say that developing the characters of all the dwarves was so necessary? My recollection was that he has consistently said that the focus would be on just five or six of them, at the most (which has turned out to be, as expected, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Bofur, Kili and Fili. Which makes perfect sense to me.
As for Beorn's screentime, that sounds about right.
But how does the Beorn page to screen ratio compare with the page to screen ration of the elven guard that has become Tauriel, or the page to screen ration of Legolas?
I find it so disappointing that really uninteresting characters like Legolas and Tauriel have such a significant role, while wonderfully evocative characters like Beorn are given a footnote. PJ's priorities are way out of wack, IMO.
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viewtopic.php?p=275075#275075Passdagas the Brown wrote:PJ's priorities are way out of wack, IMO.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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Oh boy. Oh boy oh boy.
Someone at TORN (or came from imdb) who has produced a premiere ticket as 'evidence' is answering all sorts of questions. And a lot if it sounds bad. Really, really bad. Including jealous Legolas, and all sorts of other nonsense.
Also, it sounds like the opening will just be Bree. No flashback to Thrain, apparently.
Unless this guy forgot.
Someone at TORN (or came from imdb) who has produced a premiere ticket as 'evidence' is answering all sorts of questions. And a lot if it sounds bad. Really, really bad. Including jealous Legolas, and all sorts of other nonsense.
Also, it sounds like the opening will just be Bree. No flashback to Thrain, apparently.
Unless this guy forgot.
Passdagas the Brown wrote:Oh boy. Oh boy oh boy.
Someone at TORN (or came from imdb) who has produced a premiere ticket as 'evidence' is answering all sorts of questions. And a lot if it sounds bad. Really, really bad. Including jealous Legolas, and all sorts of other nonsense.
Also, it sounds like the opening will just be Bree. No flashback to Thrain, apparently.
Unless this guy forgot.
You mean the one I posted about in the other thread?
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Here is a clip of Tauriel and Legolas deciding whether to defy Thranduil and go hunting for orcs:
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/12/03/h ... loom-clip/
They settled on different takes than the ones they used in the previews.
If nothing else, this proves that the "Thranduil theme" is at most a generic wood-elf theme. Further, I think the particular clip we hear is actually from "Girion, Lord of Dale." If so, that shows the soundtrack is really all over the place. Edit: Yup, definitely from Girion.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/12/03/h ... loom-clip/
They settled on different takes than the ones they used in the previews.
If nothing else, this proves that the "Thranduil theme" is at most a generic wood-elf theme. Further, I think the particular clip we hear is actually from "Girion, Lord of Dale." If so, that shows the soundtrack is really all over the place. Edit: Yup, definitely from Girion.
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Just to prove (if only to myself) that I have some willpower left, I'm not going to watch that clip!Dave_LF wrote:Here is a clip of Tauriel and Legolas deciding whether to defy Thranduil and go hunting for orcs:
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/12/03/h ... loom-clip/
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How much willpower does it take to not watch a clip featuring only characters that you have indicated you don't want and don't like.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
Nowhere, ever have I said I don't like or want to see Legolas... 
I've nothing against female elves, either, but the first IMDb guy's opinion confirms pretty what people were fearing...
I've nothing against female elves, either, but the first IMDb guy's opinion confirms pretty what people were fearing...
Neither Tauriel nor Legolas contribute anything significant to the story...
Evangeline Lilly makes a pretty decent elf, its just that their story comes across as needless filler...
The Legolas and Tauriel storylines were very much a distraction.
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