Trump Charged With 37 counts of Espionage, Obstruction and related crimes

The place for measured discourse about politics and current events, including developments in science and medicine.
Post Reply
User avatar
RoseMorninStar
Posts: 12880
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 am
Location: North Shire

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by RoseMorninStar »

But when you're famous they let you do it. Words he (and other narcissists) live by. The rules don't apply to him/them.
My heart is forever in the Shire.
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 2:19 pm You could say this was significant, but if you did, you would be making a vast understatement. I was wondering when we would start hearing about what was in Corcoran's notes.

[Hugo Lowell of the Guardian: "NEW: Special Counsel has evidence Trump was warned not to retain any classified docs after he was subpoenaed for their return last year — as they examine whether subsequent failure to fully comply with the subpoena was obstruction."]
Also regarding Jack Smith's documents investigation, per the New York Times: "Prosecutors Sought Records on Trump’s Foreign Business Deals Since 2017. The special counsel scrutinizing the former president’s handling of classified documents issued a subpoena to the Trump Organization seeking records related to seven countries." Those countries would be, in alphabetical order, China, France, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates.
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

Was Allison Gill prescient (not that this was something that difficult to predict)?

"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

I would say that indictments are about as "imminent" as they were in Georgia when Fani Willis used that word.

"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

We have a winner. This the most nutsy-cuckoo thing yet. That he got his lawyers to send it, that they did send it and most of all that he posted it publicly (including publishing his attorney's phone number).

"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 4:04 am We have a winner. This the most nutsy-cuckoo thing yet. That he got his lawyers to send it, that they did send it and most of all that he posted it publicly (including publishing his attorney's phone number).
Yeah, the whole point of a Special Counsel is that office is supposed to be independent from the Attorney General, and thus sending and publishing a letter to the Attorney General is strictly a PR move. And of course, as you indicate, Trump's lawyers surely know this and are merely humoring their client.
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

Everything about that letter is contrary to what a lawyer would actually do. I'm embarrassed that Trusty and Rowley allowed their names to be on it. It reads more like a Trump Truth Social post than a professional correspondence.

Now, whether it is a sign that an indictment is imminent (as many seem to think) or just a sign that Trump wants people to think that an indictment is imminent, only time will tell.

And of course, as Fani Willis tells us, "imminent' can mean different things. Or as, Bill Clinton reminded us, even "is" can mean different things.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
User avatar
Dave_LF
Wrong within normal parameters
Posts: 6804
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Location: The other side of Michigan

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Dave_LF »

Just laying the groundwork for the loony claims and accusations he's going to make on the campaign trail, no doubt. Or campaign cell, as the case may be.

That said, I'd love to know what threats or bribes he's prepared to offer if the meeting is granted.
User avatar
RoseMorninStar
Posts: 12880
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 am
Location: North Shire

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by RoseMorninStar »

Or that he's trying to rile up his 'warriors'/rabble.
My heart is forever in the Shire.
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Practice makes perfect. (Washington Post: "Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents.")

(Edited to fix link.)
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

N.E. Brigand wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 8:23 pm Practice makes perfect. (Washington Post: "Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents.")
Worth a thousand words. (New York Times: "Mar-a-Lago Worker Provided Prosecutors New Details in Trump Documents Case.")
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »



ETA:
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 2:55 pm ETA (from Elizabeth de la Vega): "If you're an attorney whose client says, 'Don't look in my office' for the classified document the US Government is trying to obtain via subpoena, you may consider that a clue that in that office is exactly where you should be looking. So you don't just say, 'Oh, okay.'"
Villains these days lack imagination. Lex Luthor knew better:

N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Is this Rolling Stone story about how "Team Trump is scrambling to uncover the names of the FBI agents and Dept. of Justice prosecutors who are investigating the former president [in order] to target them for an 'immediate' purge, should Donald Trump win the presidency again" itself part of the effort to thwart investigations into Trump, by putting these agents and officials on notice that if they do their job, they could be fired in 2025?
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

Electric eyes that you can't ignore? (Washington Post: "Mar-a-Lago prosecutors eye July episode with Trump surveillance cameras.")
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

Also this.

"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

He vanished and passed down the hill, less than a rustle of the wind. (CNN: "Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House.")
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
N.E. Brigand
Posts: 6929
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 1:41 am
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by N.E. Brigand »

N.E. Brigand wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:37 pm He vanished and passed down the hill, less than a rustle of the wind. (CNN: "Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House.")
1. Who benefits from the news about this recording being made public?

2. The recording was made at Trump's Bedminister, New Jersey golf course. Why hasn't the FBI searched that property?

3. Gen. Mark Milley urged Pres. Trump to order a massive invasion of Iran?
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
At the intersection of here and now
Posts: 46098
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump and Biden (and Pence) Classified Document Investigations

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

N.E. Brigand wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 pmThe recording was made at Trump's Bedminister, New Jersey golf course. Why hasn't the FBI searched that property?
Because we are a nation of laws and one of those laws is that probable cause that evidence of a crime is likely to be found in a particular location is needed to obtain a search warrant of that location. A recording made at a particular location (if it was in fact made at the location, which we don't really know), does not provide probable cause that there are unlawful classified documents presently at that location. Whatever evidence the DoJ and FBI obtained that allowed them to obtain a search warrant of Mar-a-Lago last August, it was a helluva lot more than that.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
Post Reply