What faith have you chosen?
- PrinceAlarming
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I voted other...
I guess I'm a believer of sorts, but I could never buy into the ritual of an organized church. I was raised Quaker, which is an incredible experience, and if I didn't work Sundays, I would attend a Quaker meeting now and again.
I have faith. I am spiritual... But I can pull life lessons and morals from a Spiderman comic as well as the Bible.
I guess I'm a believer of sorts, but I could never buy into the ritual of an organized church. I was raised Quaker, which is an incredible experience, and if I didn't work Sundays, I would attend a Quaker meeting now and again.
I have faith. I am spiritual... But I can pull life lessons and morals from a Spiderman comic as well as the Bible.
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Crucifer, there's less of a line in the United States. The U.S. Episcopal church has full intercommunion with at least my own "mainline" Protestant church, the ELCA Lutherans; we can attend each other's services, including taking communion/Eucharist, and Lutheran pastors and Episcopal priests can serve each other's congregations. (It took a lot of wrangling, because the Episcopal church does apostolic succession and the Lutheran church most firmly does not; now when a Lutheran bishop is consecrated we have an Episcopal bishop there to lay on hands, so he or she will be all right with the Episcopalians. )
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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- Primula Baggins
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Not. Yeah.
It does tend to look that way from outside, though, to people who do not perceive the tremendous! doctrinal! import! of some of these differences merely because (as is their perfect right) they don't know or care about them.
It does tend to look that way from outside, though, to people who do not perceive the tremendous! doctrinal! import! of some of these differences merely because (as is their perfect right) they don't know or care about them.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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I do know or care something about Anglicanism, however, as I was one (and probably still am as far as formalities go - ie. if I died today, an Anglican service would be read at my funeral). I don't know of any differences between Anglicanism and other forms of Protestant Christianity that would make them that radically different.Primula Baggins wrote:It does tend to look that way from outside, though, to people who do not perceive the tremendous! doctrinal! import! of some of these differences merely because (as is their perfect right) they don't know or care about them.
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That post wasn't meant to call you an outsider, LM. It was just a general comment, rather amused because I know from inside my own church (ELCA Lutheran) how tiny the differences between denominations can be, and yet how large they loom if the issue of intercommunion or (gasp!) merger comes up.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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Something other than defense of one's turf has to come up, if those standing to lose their perquisites are to avoid looking petty. Reminds me of the arguments we had every Christmas between the Baptist branch of the family and the non-denominational Evangelical branch...and yet how large they loom if the issue of intercommunion or (gasp!) merger comes up.
"Follow the gourd!"
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Whereas every right-thinking person follows the sandal, yes.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
They're mad. Just read number 14!!!The 39 Articles make that abundantly clear.
Anyhoo, in the C of I gazette, a line was drawn, because 'protestant' sort of means contesting the leadership of the pope, among other things. It's not that I contest the beliefs of Roman Catholicism, I just don't believe in them myself. You're perfectly free to believe that the pope is divinely selected, and I will only say "so how come it takes more than one vote?". I won't say "You're wrong"
Just call me 'doubting Crucifer'...
Why is the duck billed platypus?
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Crucifer, the divisive question is the authority of the Pope (or, as Lutherans still sometimes call him, "the Bishop of Rome"). Protestants don't recognize that authority or obey it, so the way he is elected is irrelevant to us.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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Friends, I split the discussion on Celibacy in the Priesthood, and Related Issues into a separate thread.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
Since the discussion has been split off, I'll restate: I 'voted' Catholic cause that's what I am. I was born into the faith, but when I was a child, I can't remember my parents ever stressing over it. I grew up with the idea of God being all around rather than the obligation to go to Church every Sunday. This has changed since, my family are now very avid churchgoers, but I don't remember ever being pressured when I was a child.
I think what taught me more about God than anything else were my dad's poems. He never talked about God, he just wrote hundreds and hundreds of poems that spoke of many many things...God was seldom named, but the poems were always full of faith in some deeper secret. They spoke of people who were wading ankle-deep in the filth of their own problems and sins, and even though they tried to keep their eyes down, something would always make them look to the skies. They would be afraid, embarrassed...they would not want the Light.
"Oh, Lord, this fish is too big, and this miracle too great
And they have fallen through our window by accident."
But the Light was there, whether they wanted it or not, and if they chose to turn towards it and climb out of the mud, it would be waiting.
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I think what taught me more about God than anything else were my dad's poems. He never talked about God, he just wrote hundreds and hundreds of poems that spoke of many many things...God was seldom named, but the poems were always full of faith in some deeper secret. They spoke of people who were wading ankle-deep in the filth of their own problems and sins, and even though they tried to keep their eyes down, something would always make them look to the skies. They would be afraid, embarrassed...they would not want the Light.
"Oh, Lord, this fish is too big, and this miracle too great
And they have fallen through our window by accident."
But the Light was there, whether they wanted it or not, and if they chose to turn towards it and climb out of the mud, it would be waiting.
edited for better translation
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