Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

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Well, maybe I see it. 63 died from the missile strike. The rest died when the ammo blew, which happened because of the missile strike. So they aren't lying, they're just making distinctions that have no merit.
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River wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:07 pm So they aren't lying, they're just making distinctions that have no merit.
Of course they are lying. :D RT and TASS are once again reliable news sources because you know 100% of what they say is a lie.

Yaroslav Trofimov of WSJ:
(The Wagner owner) Prigozhin releases the first batch of Wagner’s convict recruits who managed to survive for 6 months in Ukraine back into their hometowns, instructing Russian police to treat these men with “the greatest respect.” Will they become the new oprichniks* as Russia spins into darkness?

Russian commentators are beginning to joke that the name of the real Russian president starts with P and ends with N, but ain’t Putin. Prigozhin is certainly all over the state media, castigating governors and generals, and essentially demanding Gerasimov’s ouster.
* a bodyguard corps established by Tsar Ivan the Terrible let loose to terrorize any potential opposition with murder and torture. Jude may know them from Tchaikovsky's opera.
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Per what he told Fox News here, Rep. James Comer, the new chair of the House Oversight Committee, either thinks that Ukraine is one of the United States' "adversaries across the world" or that Russia and "communist China" are not among those adversaries.
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This is my hometown. A city in the center of Ukraine where Russians destroyed a 9-story apartment building with a ballistic missile meant to take out aircraft carriers.
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What can one do against such reckless hate? :nono: ((hug))
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Ohmigod.
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Some interesting thoughts here about how Russian victory in Ukraine would cost U.S. taxpayers a lot more than they're paying to support Ukraine's defense: the cost of "the lethal aid is a cup of coffee a week [$80 per person per year], against a Russian leadership plan that, were it successful, would ruin you [$50,000 per person per year]."
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From what I've gleaned, a Russian 'victory' would be unsustainable. They don't have the troops and equipment to permanently occupy Ukraine.
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Lots of fascinating information here about some shakeups in the Ukrainian government that President Zelenskyy announced last night, brought on by (1) some corruption in military purchasing (perhaps compare to the "Fat Leonard" scandal that brought down a number of U.S. naval officers) and (2) some Ukrainian officials having taken vacations abroad while the Russian invasion is ongoing (e.g. a senior legal official went on holiday in Spain).
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You shall have camels, horses, an armed escort, provisions, desert vehicles...



(Abrams from the U.S. and Leopards from Germany.)

(Update: actually as many as 12 different countries will be delivering up to 100 Leopard tanks.)
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Happy Tanksgiving!

Abrams won't be delivered until fall, last I heard. Previously, US has said that these tanks don't make sense in the context of Ukrainian inventory, as they require jet fuel rather than diesel and are finicky to maintain. The optimistic interpretation is that this decision shows confidence in Ukrainian victory, since the US really doesn't want these tanks captured.

Meanwhile, various sources reported that Russia placed Pantsir S-1 air defence systems on several tall buildings in Moscow, including on the roof of the Russian Ministry of Defence.

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Elone Musk is endorsing the claim that President Biden is ushering us toward World War III by supposedly going back on his word not to send tanks to Ukraine.

But as others have noted, what Biden actually said last March was, "The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews, just understand -- and don't kid yourself, no matter what you all say -- that's called 'World War III.' OK?" (Emphasis added.)
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