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I think I was just confusing in my statement. In the original quote, he uses the word "token" more like "in lieu of that" or "as a symbol of that" but not as the actual item, the stone called the Elessar that had been created by Enerdhil (or Celebrimbor). But in the translation it seems to refer directly to the item itself. That's all I meant.
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Inanna wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:41 amBut you are on the right track.
In that case, was it during Tuor's encounter with Ulmo, specifically: "I go, Lord! Yet now my heart yearneth rather to the Sea."
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You got it, Eldy.

V, I’m now more confused. Will re-read your response when am less sleepy.
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Your probably just better off forgetting about it, because what I said just didn't make very much sense!

(Of course, sense is what you make of it.)
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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Thanks, Inanna!
Elvis, of course, finishes his speech early with a gentle sense of humor.
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Well, of course he did! :rotfl:
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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Not enough to go on? Translation Party rendered this a good bit shorter than the original quote.
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Did Elvis come from "Elves"?
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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More specifically, from "Elvish."
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:03 am Did Elvis come from "Elves"?
He probably did. :banana:
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Is it Treebeard, talking about the song he sings about the Ents and Entwives?

‘It is Elvish, of course: lighthearted, quickworded, and soon over.'
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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It is indeed! (I also pasted in the preceding sentence, "That is how it goes," but TranslationParty ended up losing that altogether.)

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This one shouldn't be too hard.

Like all business anyway, what is?. Themselves. I found it. It came to me.
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:12 pm This one shouldn't be too hard.

Like all business anyway, what is?. Themselves. I found it. It came to me.

Is this Bilbo to Gandalf re: the Ring?
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Quote?

ETA: in case it is not clear, that is an affirmative response to your question.
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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‘And what business is it of yours, anyway, to know what I do with my own things? It is my own. I found it. It came to me.’ ?

My eyes passed over this line like 5 times before it occurred to me it might be it?
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You gots it!
A great tree may outlive many a Man, and may remember the seed from which it came ere all the Men that now walk the earth were yet unborn, but the rind upon which you lay your hand, and the leaves which overshadow you, are not as that seed was, nor as the dry wood shall be that decays into the mould or passes in flame. And other trees there are that stand about each different in growth and in shape, according to the chances of their lives, though all be akin, offspring of one yet older tree and sprung therefore from a single seed of long ago.
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Now, my heart is cold, but that's not a good thing. And if you do not mind, you can live in this house. for I will pay the atonement.
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Is this from The Silmarillion?
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This must be Mîm to Túrin:
Now my heart is cooled, though it is not glad; and in this house you may dwell, if you will; for I will pay my ransom.
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