Completing my Tolkien Library

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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:50 pm You know that there are also three books of Tolkien's art edited by Christina Scull and Wayne Hammond, J.R.R. Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator, The Art of The Hobbit and The Art of the Lord of the Rings, yes?
Those are three wonderful books. And between them, I think they include much more than 90% of what's contained in Pictures (which I was fortunate to have been gifted shortly after its publication). But not quite. And even if you have all four of those books, there are a few oddments of known Tolkien illustration that aren't found there. To take a minor example of no particular importance that I mentioned several years ago: there's a little sketch in John Rateliff's one-volume version of The History of 'The Hobbit' that's not in The Art of 'The Hobbit'.
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N.E. Brigand wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:29 pmTo take a minor example of no particular importance that I mentioned several years ago: there's a little sketch in John Rateliff's one-volume version of The History of 'The Hobbit' that's not in The Art of 'The Hobbit'.
Nor in the original two-volume HoTH, correct?
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:38 pm
N.E. Brigand wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:29 pmTo take a minor example of no particular importance that I mentioned several years ago: there's a little sketch in John Rateliff's one-volume version of The History of 'The Hobbit' that's not in The Art of 'The Hobbit'.
Nor in the original two-volume HoTH, correct?
As I recall, you are correct.

And on the subject of Tolkien libraries, I finally got around to ordering Hammond and Scull's edition of The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. And also the five collected volumes of Vinyar Tengwar.
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Cool; I have neither, though I should get the TAoTB if it is at all comparable to Flieger's extended edition of Smith and her and Doug Anderson's wonderful Tolkien on Fairy-stories.
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:55 pm Cool; I have neither, though I should get the TAoTB if it is at all comparable to Flieger's extended edition of Smith and her and Doug Anderson's wonderful Tolkien on Fairy-stories.
I know that with that book, Hammond & Scull solved one a longstanding minor mystery of Tolkien scholarship: what was the "Abingdon Chronicle"? It was long known that a version of "Shadow-Bride" in ATB was originally published in something that Tolkien referred to by that title, but no one knew what he meant. I'm sure there are a number of people who like myself who spent some hours on fruitless internet searches trying to figure it out. H&S suspected that it might be something to do with Our Lady's School in Abingdon, and at their request, the headmaster there searched back through the school's 1930s publications, finding not only that piece but another poem, "Noel," that had been completely unknown.

Another mystery I tried and failed to solve was one Flieger mentions in her 2005 edition of Smith. That book included Tolkien's essay on his own story, in which he puts this phrase in quotes: "O minutes great as years!" Flieger notes that she couldn't identify the source. In 2007 or so, I tried to crowd-source the solution on another website, to no avail. (Something amusing: a few years later, someone who had been participating on that site at that time but never saw my query offhandedly quoted the source on the site without any reference to Smith -- but then I didn't see his reference until long after.) In 2013, a blogger made the connection quite casually but apparently without realizing that there was any mystery surrounding it. I stumbled across that site early in 2014, but I was in the middle of something else, and by the time I had a chance to tell Flieger, she'd already learned it from Anderson. She then had lately published a second version of her Smith edition, but I gather the changes were relatively minor and didn't include this particular point.

I've just now noticed that there's a 180-page thesis from 2019 online that takes the connection for granted. It also quotes from some of Tolkien's undergraduate papers that I've never seen before (and briefly from a 1930s lecture), showing that Tolkien at least took notes on a lecture by David Nicol Smith that mentions a number of writers whom I believe are otherwise unmentioned in Tolkien's published writings to date.

But this particular poet had been mentioned a handful of times in Tolkien's works published to date, including one occasion that the author of that thesis doesn't mention: as I pointed out a few years ago, Tolkien writes in an essay on the Kalevala (first published by Flieger in Tolkien Studies) that "the real glory of Latmos was made by Keats."

Because, as anyone who's clicked on either of those links noticed, the source of that Smith reference is Keats, misquoted by Tolkien. In Hyperion, Keats writes, "O moments big as years!"
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Very cool.

That thesis looks like an impressive bit of scholarship!
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