The Hall of Fire

Thanks Mithluin.

By the way (just in case), apologies to Tar-Palantir if my post appears a 'nit-pick' with respect to your larger work -- the question concerning Finrod just interested me.

From the link: And indeed Elves are not truly immortal, since when the world eventually ends, they will die; and to Finrod it seems likely that this death will mean utter annihilation: "You see us...still in the first ages of being, and the end is far off.... But the end will come. That we all ...

I was also wondering if people think it's going too far to consider Tolkien's later note (on the envelope) as a sort of 'ratification' of DA as a post-Lord of the Rings text. In other words, Akallabêth may seem to be the ultimate version of Númenor's fall, but perhaps Tolkien was later thinking of p...

Hmm, that's interesting Solicitr. All I can think of right now is note 24 to The Shibboleth with its: '... insurance against their own death' (and etc).

I ran across a comment on the web that: the Silmarillion texts being (thought of as) Mannish legends derived from Númenórean traditions in turn derived from Elvish lore, contradict the information from The Lord of the Rings where (as this person on the web put it): '... Bilbo translated his works fr...

Here's the short version: should not the Elvish tradition match up with what the Elves taught in the Mannish tradition? Why didn't I just say that the first time :blackeye: Another detail: if CJRT's feelings concerning AAm* (typescript by Tolkien) are correct, the Númenórean transmission in the prea...

This raises the interesting possibility that by the mid-60s Tolkien had evolved a rather subtle view... that the Breaking of the World really *did* happen, but Men are too blind/pragmatic/unimaginative/out-of-touch with the Valar to conceive of such a cataclysmic Divine intervention- so they refuse...

BTW, what do people think of Charles Noad's theory on the notion of 'Elfwine to Eressëa' maybe being preserved (in his essay in Tolkien's Legendarium ), which, as I read it, basically suggests that a sailing to the Lonely Isle still occurred in the more recent past and produced information that migh...

The Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than hu[??]n. Pretty definitive. We might be able to update the matter in a couple of ways. Since Conrad Dunkerson wrote the essay (already linked in the thread) I think the editors of Vinyar Tengwar have confirmed the reading 'Human' with respect...

(...) I assume, naturally, that the Lindar refererred to themselves as 'singers' in their own language, which I'm told would something along the lines of Glinnil , Lindil , or Lindedhil . When the Nandor arrived in Beleriand it is said (in Quendi And Eldar anyway) that the Lindar called themselves ...

I do see what you are saying, but I'm not sure that I would agree that there is much significance to the fact that the "stood that day tall and valiant" comes from the Annal tradition rather than the Quenta tradition, since as I said, all of that part of the story comes from the Annal (ac...

Interesting, Galin, although I'm not 100% that I understand the point that you are making. That's probably because I confused the matter :blackeye: In the QS tradition, as revised in the early 1950s, the 'valiant description' of Galadriel following Fëanor's oath was not paired with the description ...

Most likely the most valiant woman, as opposed to "the most valiant person of either sex" although it could be read either way. OK, and just for sake of argument here (considering the arguments in the thread the history of the Silmarillion versus the history of Middle-earth) if we assume ...

This citation was raised in another thread: However there is a change that he [Christopher Tolkien] made to this paragraph that is less explicable. In the source text (LQ §42), Finarfin's daughter Galadriel is described as "the most valiant" of the house of Finwë, as well as the most beaut...

Galin, I'm surprised that you considered the UT passage to be more significant that the LOTR Appendix A passages, particularly the one that was added in to the second edition. I already know or can guess your response concerning the other three, but you didn't seem to say anything about the particu...

I don't think Aelfwine was being belligerent, and has continued to make interesting points IMO.

Calacirya is the form that appears most frequently in The Lord of the Rings (three times, twice in Galadriel's Lament and once in the index). It seems plain to me that Christopher was simply bringing the form of this name into line with that of LotR , as he did with many other names. Ah, even simpl...

Ah, I see (regarding the posting) :) Just my opinion, but I would have noted RGEO and WPP on Calacirya(n) -- or if only one, RGEO probably, as it nicely explains the difference between Calacirya and Calaciryan(de) As I think I understand it! Mr. Hostetter would be the person to ask obviously. In any...

I thought I was logged in (actually I didn't think I could post without being logged in), and that should read 'Christina' of course, not Christins.

Nor should Morgoth poisoned the trees be quoted (since '... before Morgoth poisoned them' is the actual wording) but I assume that is not confusing.