Just a trivia note: the epicenter of today's earthquake in New Jersey was less than five miles from there.N.E. Brigand wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:06 am Or maybe he buried documents in Ivana Trump's grave (which is at the golf course) and the FBI is reluctant to exhume her?
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N.E. Brigand wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:42 pmJust a trivia note: the epicenter of today's earthquake in New Jersey was less than five miles from there.N.E. Brigand wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:06 am Or maybe he buried documents in Ivana Trump's grave (which is at the golf course) and the FBI is reluctant to exhume her?
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Also Allison Gill.Voronwë the Faithful wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:02 amAdd to that list Roger Parloff (on the Lawfare Trump Trials podcast today) and me.N.E. Brigand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:53 pm
After arguing that a motion for recusal, although likely to fail ("this is all very depressing for people that want to see Trump held to account, but I'm just explaining how the world is; not how it should be") is probably Jack Smith's next move, Lee Kovarsky then endorsed an alternative that others have been floating: Jack Smith could "file a motion in limine to exclude any evidence about the PRA to kind of force Judge Cannon's hand."
Edited to note that among those making that suggestion are Bradley Moss and Andrew Weissmann.
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Judge Cannon finally ruled on the SCO's motion for reconsideration of her order requiring that they publicly reveal the names of witnesses and details about what they are expected to say. She largely granted the motion, while at the same time reaming the SCO and requiring a high standard from them to justify redactions. Most of those that I follow were typically critical of Judge Cannon (as usual), but I found Brad Moss' take on this very helpful. (Click on the tweet and read the whole thread, if you can.)
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On April 10, 2024, Judge Cannon set a deadline of May 9, 2024, for Defendants to file Rule 16 expert disclosures and any defense CIPA Section 5(a) written notice based on classified discovery produced to date. Needless to say, Judge Cannon was well aware that Trump's New York trial was beginning five days later and was scheduled to last well beyond May 9. Nonetheless, Trump filed a motion to adjourn those deadlines until 3 weeks after the New York trial ended. The SCO promptly filed a scathing opposition to that motion.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... dj-request
The motion concludes with this statement:
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The motion concludes with this statement:
If Cannon grants this motion, I think they have no choice but to try to get her recused, even if it is a longshot.Each time the Court sets a new deadline in this case and attempts to keep it moving toward
trial, the defendants reflexively ask for an adjournment. That must stop. The Court should deny
defendants’ motions to continue the May 9 expert witness disclosure and CIPA Section 5 notice
deadlines.
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A witness in this case testified in a deposition that Walt Nauta was told that Donald Trump would pardon him once he's again president.
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There is a huge trowel of information that has been revealed now that Trump's motion to compel discovery and the hundreds of pages of exhibits have been docketed in a heavily redacted form. That motion was filed on January 16 and the opposition was filed on February 2, and Cannon still has not ruled.
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ABC News has new reporting on how Donald Trump handled classified information as president, based on various sources who apparently have testified in Jack Smith's investigation. Trump has been charged for what he did as a former president, because as president he had an almost unfettered power to release classified material, but some associates were "appalled" by his treatment of these documents. The article also reports on staff testimony that Trump was only interested in intelligence reports on select countries -- for instance, he apparently didn't want to be bothered with news on Latin America -- and that he was oddly resistant to other intelligence: "Trump refused to listen to certain briefings related to Russia .... [and] 'absolutely' didn't want to hear about Russian influence operations, and he couldn't be convinced that Russian troops were already operating inside Ukraine -- even as his own administration was publicly calling out their routine incursions into the country's eastern region to support Russian-backed separatists.
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Will Judge Cannon further delay proceedings because prosecutors today noted that, in the process of going through the many boxes of documents stored at Mar-a-Lago, scanning those documents, documenting those documents, and returning those documents to the boxes -- or in the case of classified documents which once found need instead to be stored in a properly secured location, replacing those documents with "placeholder" files (which the FBI ran out of because there were so many classified documents) -- some items ended up out of order in their original boxes? "Prosecutors say despite the reordering, each box still contains precisely the same material it had in it when it was seized," but they only discovered the in-box jumbling after having submitted filings in which they said everything was exactly as they found it, so I think there's a risk of Cannon making trouble about it.
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Here's my problem with this argument from Bradley Moss that he and other commenters keep making about Donald Trump's various criminal proceedings:
For that matter, if President Biden himself says, "Don't vote for Trump. He's been charged with stealing classified documents," then Judge Cannon will probably throw out the charges on the grounds of selective prosecution. Even though it's true that Trump did that! So Moss and others need to stop pushing this ridiculous argument. It absolutely makes a difference to the election whether or not one of the two candidates is facing the possibility of serious jail time. Why is Moss pretending otherwise?
(Moss posted that in response to the news that Judge Cannon has indefinitely delayed Trump's espionage trial.)
I'm already going to vote for President Biden! My vote is not in doubt. And I will be encouraging other people to join me. But one great reason I want to use to encourage people to vote for Biden and against Donald Trump is that Trump (i) tried to overturn the 2020 election and (ii) stole classified documents. And if I raise either of those points, some people on the fence, who need to be convinced, are going to say: "How do we know that's true? He hasn't been convicted."OK, I am going to politely suggest some people on this hellsite take a deep breath for a second.
Nothing in Judge Cannon's order is remotely grounds for an appeal or removal. The case is going to happen whenever it happens (if ever). Screaming and gnashing your teeth on Twitter isn't changing that.
You want to beat Trump? Get ready to vote. Because no matter what happens in these cases, that's the only way to truly stop him. At the ballot box. He could be tried and convicted four times and that won't prohibit him from winning in November.
For that matter, if President Biden himself says, "Don't vote for Trump. He's been charged with stealing classified documents," then Judge Cannon will probably throw out the charges on the grounds of selective prosecution. Even though it's true that Trump did that! So Moss and others need to stop pushing this ridiculous argument. It absolutely makes a difference to the election whether or not one of the two candidates is facing the possibility of serious jail time. Why is Moss pretending otherwise?
(Moss posted that in response to the news that Judge Cannon has indefinitely delayed Trump's espionage trial.)
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It's surely inappropriate for attorney Ty Cobb to be commenting (not for the first time) on criminal proceedings pertaining his former client, Donald Trump (although I guess Cobb's client was the President not the person), even on cases like this one where Cobb has not played a role, and what's more, his prediction here seems unlikely to happen, but it's still notable that he said today that Judge Cannon "is not capable of ruling fairly or intelligently on any of these motions and eventually she will probably be removed".
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I don't see any real issue with Ty Cobb commenting on this case, and I think he is right, with the caveat that if Trump wins the election the case will likely disappear before she is able to be replaced.
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The Department of Justice had provided the transcripts of this interview to a Republican-led House Committee that asked for them. That Committee has since asked the Department of Justice to also release the audio recording of the interview. DOJ declined to do so on various reasonable grounds (even former Attorney General Mike Mukasey, a Republican, said it would set a bad precedent for DOJ to do so), and everyone knows the real reason Republicans want the audio is so that they can selectively edit and release snippets to make Biden sound bad. But the Committee was planning to vote this evening to find Garland in contempt -- it would have been this morning, but several committee members are in New York helping Donald Trump violate the gag order -- so Garland asked President Biden to declare executive privilege over the recordings. He has done so. Read the White House letter explaining why here.N.E. Brigand wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:39 pm Not only did Robert Hur testify today (apparently to no great effect), but House Democrats released the transcripts of Hur's October interview with President Biden.
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She's not even pretending anymore.
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