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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:52 pm 
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Sunny, I enjoyed GotG2 a lot more than I did the first one, and I think it has less of what you didn't like and more heart. It's really about a bunch of people who are very bad at emotional connections making emotional connections, and like most of the MCU, it's about found families. And baby Groot is adorable. Give it a try, you can always turn it off. ;)

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True, dat! At least I'm not paying to see it!

Speaking of paying movies, anyone seen Ant Man and Wasp yet? My movie-going buddy is interested. And I am too. The first two movies were a lot of fun to watch.

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Most people liked GotG2 more than 1 for various reasons. I liked them just about the same but would give 2 a slight edge because I agree with Frelga that it feels more heartfelt and the characters more fully formed. But if you weren't a fan of the humor in 1, pt 2 won't win you over. And the big climactic battle sequence is IMO the most over-long, chaotic, tedious action sequence in all the MCU.

But also - Baby Groot. :love: :D

(I keep regretting that we never did start a separate Marvel thread but it kinda feels to late to start one now.)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:27 pm 
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I wouldn't mind. I have FEELINGS, and talking to you guys will keep me from signing up for tumblr. :blackeye:

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Yov, note I said 'the funny bits were no longer funny'. That doesn't mean I didn't laugh at them the first time around!

But I have laughed, or at least smiled numerous times at the funny bits in OTHER Marvel movies...

As for long, tedious battle scenes, my DVD player has a fast forward feature... :D I made good use of it when watching GoG 1 and will do so again.

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Sunsilver wrote:
Speaking of paying movies, anyone seen Ant Man and Wasp yet?


Yep. I really enjoyed it, but then I'm not that critical and 9 times out of 10 I'm gonna enjoy a fun popcorn flick.

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You've got to be able to suspend your disbelief for this sort of movie, and just enjoy!

But too much violence gets me down, especially when I know scores of people must be getting killed. And I know that was happening in GotG.

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One of my favorite offscreen things about the MCU is how Chris Evans is one tweet away from stealing the shield and becoming Captain America IRL.

https://twitter.com/ChrisEvans/status/1 ... 0026397697

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:34 pm 
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Someone get that man a shield.

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Frelga wrote:
I wouldn't mind. I have FEELINGS, and talking to you guys will keep me from signing up for tumblr. :blackeye:

Oh dear gods, not tumblr! Start that Marvel thread already so we can save Frelga from that horror!

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I saw both GoG 1 and GoG 2 and enjoyed both much more than I expected.

The first one was a delightful surprise because it came across almost as a spoof, with the characters winking at the superhero mold. I loved it because of that. I have not been a fan of most comic to film heroes because of the earnestness of the characters, or when not the characters, the message.

The 'American values' in which all those movies have been drenched is difficult to identify with also, though I think Americans probably can't see it, as its the paradigm all around you.

GoG 2 leaned more toward that so I enjoyed it less, though baby Groot made it all worthwhile.

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Impenitent wrote:
Frelga wrote:
I wouldn't mind. I have FEELINGS, and talking to you guys will keep me from signing up for tumblr. :blackeye:

Oh dear gods, not tumblr! Start that Marvel thread already so we can save Frelga from that horror!

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We need "Save Frelga!" on bumper stickers. :spin:

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The 'American values' in which all those movies have been drenched is difficult to identify with also, though I think Americans probably can't see it, as its the paradigm all around you.


I will start the new thread if only so I can find out what you meant by that. Not that I disagree, necessarily, I just want to hear your thoughts.

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Frelga, thanks for being willing to start a new thread. Voronwë spent some time trying to split this one, but the surgery was so complex that the patient would probably have bled out on the table. And I don't have time this nasty, horrible work week to make my own attempt—not that I have any reason to think that it would turn out differently.

So I think just making a hard break is best. Maybe put a link to the beginning of the serious Marvel discussion here (in your judgment) in the opening post? Because, yes, there ought to be a Marvel thread, and we can leave this thread to its former desultory discussion of odds and ends and oddities and endings that we all found interesting. Both are valuable.

Maybe the discussion of "American values" could lead off the new thread. I would be very interested.

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Prim, I wouldn't want you to go to any trouble! We can post link, or copy whatever it is worth preserving.

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If you could just start the thread—then you, or I, could post relevant links into it as needed.

I think you’d be a more logical thread starter here. Whenever you have the time.

I just sent off the 254th chapter of 254, precisely when it was due, and I’m off to bed. Thanks, Frelga.

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I'm starting this thread to talk about the MCU with my favorite people, because otherwise I will end up signing up for tumblr to argue with strangers and we don't want that. Please do your part to keep Frelga off tumblr. :geek:

This is the first post in the Last Movie thread after the last post that was not about an MCU movie.

I'm hoping Impish will find the time to share what she meant about these movies being drenched in American Values.

In the meantime - best action scene? Black Widow breaking into Hammer's whateverthatwas in IM2, closely followed by Black Widow's "interrogation" in the Avengers. My favorite, though, is the elevator fight in the Winter Soldier, despite a few moments of "are they taking a nap while he does that?" and "just how big is that elevator".


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:hug: Have some well-earned sweet dreams, Prim!

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Yeah, that was one kick-ass scene where Natasha demolishes her interrogators!

I also liked the scene in Winter Soldier where Cap rescues Black Widow from a grenade explosion, after he finds her downloading classified files from the ship's computer:

As they are arguing about 'should she be doing this without letting Cap, the team leader, know', Cap sees a grenade land on the floor of the room. He grabs Black Widow and uses his shield to crash through a window to get them both out of harm's way:

B.W., lying on the deck of the ship, with Cap more or less on top of her: "Sorry, that one's on me..."

Cap [angrily]: "Damn right it is!"

Oh, BTW, look for previous Marvel Universe discussions HERE: http://thehalloffire.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3558

They are scattered throughout the thread, so the 'search' function will likely be necessary!

Footnote: Space Channel is re-running "Civil War" on Sunday! Very much looking forward to seeing it again!! :banana:

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When you ask for best action scene, my first thought is that Black Widow IM2 fight. She just looks so flippin' cool, plus the contrast with Happy is hilarious. It's unfortunate that might be my top pick though because it's in my least favorite MCU movie.

Winter Soldier in general has several excellent action scenes, including the kick-ass elevator scene. But I think I might pick the scene where Fury gets ambushed in his car. I love how oh-crap! tense it is, plus I love how it portrays Nick as a guy who is always prepared for the worst. He may not be a superdude, but don't mess with Nick Fury!

For pure emotion though, it's hands down Cap and Stark fighting at the end of Civil War. I know it doesn't work for some people but the way that dramatic arc builds to that confrontation is to me the best thing in all the MCU.

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Yeah, the Fury chase is one of the better car chases I can think of. Plus, the entry of the Winter Soldier is the coolest introduction of the antagonist.

The Winter Soldier was on last night, and I'll watch that movie every time.

BTW, someone pointed out that when the first cop car pulls up by Fury's SUV, this super paranoid and powerful spy is not thinking assassination attempt, he's thinking the cop is going to hassle a Black driver.

Sunny, the entire relationship between Cap and Natasha is wonderfully developed through the movies. I love the scene with the grenade - one moment he's chewing her out, the next, she leaps into his arms already firing.

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