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N.E. Brigand wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:28 am
Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:26 am Regardless of what Wikipedia says, that was long known, including by the January 6th committee.
Ah sorry, I guess I had missed that. Kyle Cheney seemed to treat it as new information tonight.
The Defendant moved immediately from this national security briefing to the
meeting that the Acting Attorney General had requested earlier that day, which included CoConspirator
4, the Acting Attorney General, the Acting Deputy Attorney General, the Justice
Department's Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, the White House
Counsel, a Deputy White House Counsel, and a Senior Advisor. At the meeting, the Defendant
expressed frustration with the Acting Attorney General for failing to do anything to overturn the
election results, and the group discussed Co-Conspirator 4's plans to investigate purported election
fraud and to send his proposed letter to state officials-a copy of which was provided to the
Defendant during the meeting. The Defendant relented in his plan to replace the Acting Attorney
General with Co-Conspirator 4 only when he was told that it would result in mass resignations at
the Justice Department and of his own White House Counsel.
There was a hearing of the J6 committee with Jeffrey Rosen, former acting attorney general; Richard Donoghue, former acting deputy attorney general; and Steven Engel, former assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel, in which this meeting, at which the plan to install Clark as Acting Attorney General was jettisoned was discussed at length. That hearing was on June 23, 2022. At that hearing they discussed how Trump had offered Clark the job and Clark had accepted.
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Re: Trump Indicted for January 6

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Who is Co-Conspirator 6?

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JustSecurity has a helpful version of the indictment with the names of co-conspirators 1-5 written in at each reference to them.

They don't name co-conspirator 6, but I believe that it is Mike Roman. Is that who your picture is?
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The photo shows Patrick McGoohan as "Number Six" in the cult 1967 British television show The Prisoner.

(Some may remember McGoohan best for playing King Edward I in Mel Gibson's 1995 film Braveheart.)
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I am reminded by one of the Kyles (Kyle Cheney of Politico) that it was Judge Chutkan -- in her opinion ruling that the White House could turn over records to the January 6 select committee -- who authored the memorable line "Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President."

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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:23 pmThey don't name co-conspirator 6, but I believe that it is Mike Roman.
Philip Bump points to some compelling evidence that it is Roman.



But then he notes that the New York Times provides some compelling evidence suggesting that it might by Boris Epshteyn.



So now I am not sure. I would like it to be Epshteyn.
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This might be the best comment ever.

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This doesn't mean anything but is still notable. Judges don't usually sit in the gallery of arraignments, let alone chief judges.

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Both Trump and Jack Smith are now in the courtroom. Will Smith stare at him like he did for the last arraignment in Miami?
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Several Captial Police officers who were injured in the attack are in the audience.
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Magistrate Judge Moxila A. Upadhyaya will preside. She is not there yet. Trump is fidgeting.
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She has now arrived and the hearing has begun.
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She addresses Trump as "Mr. Trump" not (as in Florida) as "Former President Trump".
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Well, he pleaded not guilty. He could have saved as all a lot of time and effort by just copping to it.
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No surprise here!
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Another big surprise here (not!)

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Re: Trump Indicted for Conspiring to Overturn the 2020 Election

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No one expects the trial to be scheduled within 70 days, but I do wish reporters would note that the right to a speedy trial exists to protect defendants. The idea is that the government shouldn't be able can't detain someone indefinitely by repeatedly delaying their trial.

Of course, any other defendant charged with siccing a mob of thousands of people on the Capitol would be detained pending trial, but Trump won't be.
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