"Zero Tolerance", Family separations & other immigration iss

[Frelga]

I understand why. It saddens me. If people born in the US had the perspective to see what was happening, they would never have allowed it to happen. They would not have imagined that electing Trump would be business as usual, similar to electing Clinton.

But they don't, and they did, and here we are, and I am one of maybe three people here who can't shrug and say, well, at least my family will probably be OK.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

That has nothing to do with why the discussion needed to be moved and is also patently offensive.

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[Dave_LF]

George Takei: ‘At Least During the Internment …’ Are Words I Thought I’d Never Utter.

Deserves a wide audience.

[Frelga]

That has nothing to do with why the discussion needed to be moved and is also patently offensive.

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I'm sorry you take it that way.

[Primula Baggins]

George Takei: ‘At Least During the Internment …’ Are Words I Thought I’d Never Utter.

Deserves a wide audience.

I completely agree, Dave.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

What an idiot Michael Avenatti is -- immigration edition

Immigration Attorneys Call Michael Avenatti’s Activism ‘Fantastically Irresponsible’



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[Voronwë the Faithful]

Despite Trump (and despite the SCOTUS) we do still have a system of checks and balances and justice in the U.S.

Federal judge orders reunification of parents and children, end to most family separations at border

[Inanna]

Thank goodness!

[Dave_LF]

Former ICE spokesman James Schwab says he resigned after being ordered to lie to the public (by saying 800 people escaped arrest because the mayor of Oakland let news about a surprise raid slip). While he was being interviewed by CBS about the incident, officers from the Department of Homeland Security showed up and tried to intimidate him:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-ice ... istration/

[Impenitent]

Immigrant children separated from their parents at the US-Mexico border are being ordered into court for their own deportation proceedings, some as young as three, according to lawyers from Texas, California and Washington.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/27 ... urt-alone/

This is the kind of injustice condemned by the USA when it occurs elsewhere.

[Frelga]

https://twitter.com/abogada_laura/statu ... 6878941184

My 5-yr-old client can’t tell me what country she is from. We prepare her case by drawing pictures with crayons of the gang members that would wait outside her school. Sometimes she wants to draw ice cream cones and hearts instead. She is in deportation proceedings alone.

Eta: same lawyer

Today my client was excited to push the elevator buttons on the way to her first deportation hearing. Afterwards I congratulated her on tying her shoes by herself. She's 6 and @TheJusticeDept thinks she should only get a lawyer if she can pay for one

The Hill
Court rules children facing deportation have no right to court-appointed lawyer

The link for donations to The UNLV Immigration Clinic where she works https://netcommunity.unlv.edu/immigrationclinic

[Cenedril_Gildinaur]

As I was discussing existing law, and not even getting to what I wish the law to be, nobody was able to explain to me this one point of existing law.

Given: it is possible to seek asylum at any US embassy or consulate. You do not need to go to the border to do so.
Given: Only two countries actually border the US, a few more have only water between them and the US. Most countries border other countries.
Given: The US has embassies in almost every country in the world. The US has consulates in many of them as well.

Therefore:
If you a refugee feels it is unsafe to seek asylum at the embassy in their own country, and feels safe to cross the border, why do not the refugees seek asylum at the closest embassy or consulate on the other side of the border they crossed? Going all the way to the US border makes for a much longer and more dangerous trip.

[Frelga]

PBS
https://twitter.com/JudyWoodruff/status ... 1532597248

14 month old boy separated from immigrant parents at the border, was returned after 85 days, covered with lice, had apparently not been bathed - part of lawsuits filed by states against Trump administration @LisaDNews reports @NewsHour tonight

[Primula Baggins]

Sickening. There is no possible excuse for this. And of course if it happened to one baby, it’s probably happening to many of them.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

In other immigration news, I heard two stories today on the radio (one on NPR's Morning Edition, and the other on Public Radio International's The World) about how the Trump administration is targeting immigrants in the military, and discharging them without explanation.

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[River]

They're also going after naturalized citizens suspected of fraud. Not sure how these people get flagged but I'm fearing the advent of anonymous tiplines for derogatory information. My husband is naturalized. He's white, he did it all by the book and as far as we know we have no enemies but I don't like the way this is going.

[Frelga]

They're also going after naturalized citizens suspected of fraud. Not sure how these people get flagged but I'm fearing the advent of anonymous tiplines for derogatory information.

I'm a little surprised at myself, because you got to that thought before I did. Apparently, I'm still too optimistic about the state of things.

Speaking of which, V, I do think you should consider making this forum nonpublic.

I've been seeing accounts of American-born citizens having difficulty applying for passports because of sealed adoption records, among other reasons, although I'm not sure if that's a new thing.

[Sunsilver]

Much as I hate to admit it, Frelga may have a point.

There are people on this board who may be vulnerable due to being immigrants, their public position (lawyers, university professors/teachers) or their sexual orientation.

Mind you, the person choosing to make trouble for them would have to know their real life names, but I don't suppose that would be impossible to find out.

Edit: and why the heck should SEALED adoption records be a problem?? It used to be ALL adoptions handled by the Canadian government were sealed, and NO ONE had access to them!

I was only able to find my birth mom because the government chose to make the records available to adoptees and birth parents under carefully controlled circumstances, and the agreement of both parties. Access by anyone else was still forbidden, except by court order, as well it should be!

[Voronwë the Faithful]

We are discussing the question of private/public but in the meanwhile, I would strongly urge anyone who has any worries to edit out any private information out of the public discussion forum.

[Frelga]

V, I considered this, but apart from the sheer volume of posts, it's also impossible to edit out content quoted by other members, many of whom don't frequent the forum anymore.