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People shouldn't believe he is racist because he wants to deport illegal immigrants. I never said that and it is disingenuous to imply I have. Just a few posts ago I stated that I could understand people being upset by illegal immigrants.Cerin wrote: But deporting illegal immigrants isn’t bigotry. The Obama administration has deported about two million illegal immigrants. Do we call him a bigot because of that?
Wisconsin had something else going on:But consider Wisconsin -- there were approximately 140k fewer votes cast in 2016 compared to 2012
Dehumanizing people by lumping them into a category based on sex, color, race, & creed and assigning them traits across the board is the definition of a racist, a xenophobe.
I just don't think you can make that assumption (that he was trying to de-legitimize Obama because Obama is black). I thought he was doing it to get attention and attract the support of that segment of the right wing.The birther conspiracy which he relentlessly egged on is one such example. He had to de-legitimatize Obama because he was black.
No, of course the question of whether someone is a sexual predator isn't a matter of an observer's perception, but of a person's actions and of law. It isn't a matter of interpretation, the way the example you gave above is.As for 'perception' most bullies don't perceive themselves as bullies. Many sexual predators don't consider themselves to be molesters. But they don't get to decide. Their supporters don't get to decide. Their victims do. (I am thinking, for example of instances of priest/sex abuse, etc..) If they/their supporters 'don't see the problem' then they are part of the problem.
I doubt many people here are very surprised, just saddened.eborr wrote:I don't no why anyone is so surprised that there have been an increase in racism post a Trump election, the same phenomena happened post brexit.
While there have always been a lot of racism, what's new is the perpetrators specifically saying "now that Trump is president". And I've seen dozens report like that, even through a very limited number of people I follow online. And it's happening everywhere, even in Berkeley.Voronwë the Faithful wrote:I'm not convinced that there is that much of an increase. It could just as easily be that it is being reported more. There already was a lot of racism going on behind the scenes not being reported.
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You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that things aren't as bad as they seem. I'm saying that things were much worse before that most (white) people realized. Most of my black friends don't think that things are any worse now than they were a week ago. They think it was bad then and it is still bad.Frelga wrote:While there have always been a lot of racism, what's new is the perpetrators specifically saying "now that Trump is president". And I've seen dozens report like that, even through a very limited number of people I follow online. And it's happening everywhere, even in Berkeley.Voronwë the Faithful wrote:I'm not convinced that there is that much of an increase. It could just as easily be that it is being reported more. There already was a lot of racism going on behind the scenes not being reported.
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It's nice to hope that things aren't that bad as they seem, but it's not productive. Especially when things are actually much worse.
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I'm a lot more hopeful as well, even though I'm a supporter of neo-liberal economics. Trump at the moment is basically a wild card; he could do anything or nothing in office. But the machinery of government will continue to function around him. In the meantime, the sorts of policies he has advocated will now actually need to be tested in reality. If they succeed, great, and I'll admit that I was wrong about free trade and I'll know better when I go to vote for elections in my country in the future. If they fail, then this sort of populist insurgency type candidacy will have been discredited and won't re-appear for a long time.Cerin wrote:I'm thinking things are more hopeful than they seem right now. Trump defeated would have been immortalized, along with his rhetoric. But people of good will who voted for Trump will soon see he is a fraud (as will people of ill will who voted for him, and what on earth will that look like?). He and his method will be thoroughly discredited and become just an ugly blot on the historical record. Meanwhile, those of good will whose hopes are dashed by Trump will have a place to go in a new non-corporate Democratic Party, now that defeat has broken the Clintons' stranglehold on the party, and only the obstinately obtuse won't concede that neo-liberalism has been proven a failure.
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