Star Trek: Into Darkness
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I definitely noticed the Millennium Falcon homage. It's been too long since I've seen Blade Runner to catch that one, though.
Even good 3D annoys me and tends to take me out of the movie, so I saw it in 2D and was perfectly immersed.
Even good 3D annoys me and tends to take me out of the movie, so I saw it in 2D and was perfectly immersed.
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I, too, would welcome enlightenment on the nods to the Millennium Falcon - so many big-ass starships in the film, I wouldn't know the difference - and to Blade Runner!
Impy ... I'm sorry you were disappointed. I didn't go in with high expectations. I'm not a Trekkie, and haven't actually ever seen The Wrath of Khan!! I do get the reference though.
Although I'm not hardcore, I've seen plenty of Classic Trek, TNG and some of the spin-offs, and I do enjoy the franchise and the characters very much. All I want is to be entertained. Into Darkness did that, and it was heaps better than the moronic trailers I had to endure in the half hour before the film began. Hollywood seems more and more a cultural wasteland.
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And if I may say so, I did enjoy that glimpse of London and the English countryside and architecture circa mid-23rd century. Lovely production design. And Christopher Wren's cathedral still stands, 300 years later. I should think so too!
Impy ... I'm sorry you were disappointed. I didn't go in with high expectations. I'm not a Trekkie, and haven't actually ever seen The Wrath of Khan!! I do get the reference though.
Although I'm not hardcore, I've seen plenty of Classic Trek, TNG and some of the spin-offs, and I do enjoy the franchise and the characters very much. All I want is to be entertained. Into Darkness did that, and it was heaps better than the moronic trailers I had to endure in the half hour before the film began. Hollywood seems more and more a cultural wasteland.
Spoilers!
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What a beautiful ship the Enterprise is. And if I may say so, I did enjoy that glimpse of London and the English countryside and architecture circa mid-23rd century. Lovely production design. And Christopher Wren's cathedral still stands, 300 years later. I should think so too!
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Yes, I did, it was sad
But I enjoyed the movie a great deal. One problem I had was that the relationship between Spock and Kirk is still really knew in this reality, so the closeness they showed in the original movie was a little strange to see here... they had completed their 5 year mission and then some during Wrath of Khan.
But I enjoyed the movie a great deal. One problem I had was that the relationship between Spock and Kirk is still really knew in this reality, so the closeness they showed in the original movie was a little strange to see here... they had completed their 5 year mission and then some during Wrath of Khan.
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Saw it today and loved it. Will see it again soon.
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Hal, I didn't find Kirk and Spock's closeness incongruous. They haven't been working together as long, no—but the magnitude of what they've been through together (chronicled in the first movie) is much greater. I am sure Kirk didn't get command of the Enterprise in such a chaotic way, under such desperate circumstances, in the original timeline. And we know Spock didn't lose his planet—or his mother, at this point in his life.
Non-spoiler comments (though really . . . is there anyone who hasn't seen it yet who cares about spoilers? Serious question, please post if you're one):
Benedict Cumberbatch . . . I think I have to agree with Di that he out-Rickmans Rickman in terms of the velvety evil of his voice (and I never thought anyone would). And he certainly also does so in the wild originality of his countenance. He exudes danger whenever he's on camera.
I loved the continuing humor and character moments that make clear that everyone involved in this understands what was most great about the original show: the characters and their relationships and interactions as they dealt with major, major crises and whole new worlds.
In the old show we never saw (and I never wanted to see) whole episodes focusing on character relationships. But the moments we saw, in among the adventures, gave so much depth and humor and sometimes sadness to the show. The writers and actors got it and gave us those fleeting moments. These writers and actors do, too.
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No spoilers in what follows, until the spoiler bars.
Hal, I didn't find Kirk and Spock's closeness incongruous. They haven't been working together as long, no—but the magnitude of what they've been through together (chronicled in the first movie) is much greater. I am sure Kirk didn't get command of the Enterprise in such a chaotic way, under such desperate circumstances, in the original timeline. And we know Spock didn't lose his planet—or his mother, at this point in his life.
Non-spoiler comments (though really . . . is there anyone who hasn't seen it yet who cares about spoilers? Serious question, please post if you're one):
Benedict Cumberbatch . . . I think I have to agree with Di that he out-Rickmans Rickman in terms of the velvety evil of his voice (and I never thought anyone would). And he certainly also does so in the wild originality of his countenance. He exudes danger whenever he's on camera.
I loved the continuing humor and character moments that make clear that everyone involved in this understands what was most great about the original show: the characters and their relationships and interactions as they dealt with major, major crises and whole new worlds.
In the old show we never saw (and I never wanted to see) whole episodes focusing on character relationships. But the moments we saw, in among the adventures, gave so much depth and humor and sometimes sadness to the show. The writers and actors got it and gave us those fleeting moments. These writers and actors do, too.
Spoiler:
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If they make a new TV series out of this, I will be one very happy Trekkie.
For me, the most squeal-worthy moment came when
For me, the most squeal-worthy moment came when
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. Seriously, I think I did squeal...and I was in a nearly-empty theater."Live! Live! Live! Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death!" - Auntie Mame
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I was so delighted. That one came from out of nowhere for me.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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Well, me. But at the moment, I have no idea when I'll make it. If folks who've seen it want to unmask the spoilers, and don't mind putting the SPOILER warning in the thread title, I'll be happy enough to take my chances.Non-spoiler comments (though really . . . is there anyone who hasn't seen it yet who cares about spoilers? Serious question, please post if you're one)
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I've been trying for over a week to figure out why this film didn't quite work for me.
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Ya glowah pee chu nee foom
Ah toot dee awe goon daa.
Glory, we found glory.
The power showed us the light,
And now we all live free.
Celebrate the light; (Freedom!)
Celebrate the might; (Power!)
Celebrate the fight; (Glory!)
Celebrate the love.
Ya glowah pee chu nee foom
Ah toot dee awe goon daa.
Glory, we found glory.
The power showed us the light,
And now we all live free.
Celebrate the light; (Freedom!)
Celebrate the might; (Power!)
Celebrate the fight; (Glory!)
Celebrate the love.
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ttbk, it is wonderful to see you here! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I should be able to finally see it in the next few days, so I'll be able to see (and share) what I think at long last.
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I finally saw. I really wanted to like it. I really thought that I would like it. And there was a lot about it that I did like. But ultimately, it didn't really work for me on a lot of different levels.
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I'd love to hear what the problems were for you. I didn't think it was perfect, but I had a great time. OTOH, I am a vintage-1966 Star trek fan, and I'm very open to the possibility that I'm a blind fangurl here.
(Yes, plot problems, but I couldn't be a 1966 fan of TOS if I couldn't swallow those fairly cheerfully.)
(Yes, plot problems, but I couldn't be a 1966 fan of TOS if I couldn't swallow those fairly cheerfully.)
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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I think these new movies are made for fans of all of Star Trek... I think that if you don't love Star Trek, they will fall apart... just like any of the Star Trek films.
If you love Star Trek... I don't honestly see how you can be disappointed in these films.
If you love Star Trek... I don't honestly see how you can be disappointed in these films.
For the TROUBLED may you find PEACE
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For the LONELY may you find LOVE
For the SKEPTICAL may you find FAITH
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If anything, I am too much a fan of the vintage 1960's series. I just finished rewatching the original series and I've never seen any of the other series. So I am so invested in the original characters that it is hard for me to accept some of the differences.
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Edit to add: do we really need spoiler tags? It probably would be easier to discuss without them."Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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I watched the first Star Trek movie yesterday and today. I remember that it wasn't very good, but I was utterly shocked at how bad I found it.
On the bright side, that made my feelings about the Into Darkness much warmer. It still isn't anywhere near the level of Wrath of Khan, but compared to "Star Trek the Motion Picture" it is a brilliant piece of filmmaking.
On the bright side, that made my feelings about the Into Darkness much warmer. It still isn't anywhere near the level of Wrath of Khan, but compared to "Star Trek the Motion Picture" it is a brilliant piece of filmmaking.