Tea in Tolkien's Hobbit - Recipes of the Shire

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Tea in Tolkien's Hobbit - Recipes of the Shire

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This is just incredibly geeky!

http://historicalfoods.com/2058/food-in ... t-recipes/
‘The Shire’ is based on rural England and not any other country in the world, (Tolkien’s Letters, 250 #190) … [The Shire] is in fact more or less a Warwickshire village of about the period of the Diamond Jubilee, (Tolkien’s Letters, 230 #178) … There is no special reference to England in the ‘Shire’ — except of course that as an Englishman brought up in an ‘almost rural’ village of Warwickshire on the edge of the prosperous bourgeoisie of Birmingham (about the time of the Diamond Jubilee!) I take my models like anyone else — from such ‘life’ as I know, (Letters, 235 #181)”. In effect then ‘The Shire’ was an idealized version of the rural England of Tolkien’s childhood i.e. Warwickshire village life in 1897 Victorian England.

This certainly fits with the descriptions and images of ‘The Shire’ in the LOTR Prologue, ‘Concerning Hobbits’. Yet to truly understand Bilbo and his home it helps if we think of another great figure from literature, ‘Mr. Bennet’, a country gentleman of moderate fortune in Jane Austen’s, ‘Pride and Prejudice’. Mr. Bennet is living in rural Hertfordshire, and he, like Bilbo, is a bit quirky, “so odd a mixture of quick parts … and peculiarities”. And although ‘Pride and Prejudice’ is set in the early 1800’s, it is this ‘hang-over’ from a pre-industrialised rural community that Tolkien still remembers from his childhood, in other words … what Mr. Bennet has stocked in his larder and pantry, we can be sure Bilbo had stocked in his (Mr Bennet’s numerous children making up for a bachelor Hobbit’s appetite). Now we know where and when, we can couple that with what was served, and we can faithfully recreate that same Tea Party that Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarves so enjoyed.
To be understood before setting the scene: a lot of people (if not most) have the wrong idea about what a Victorian ‘high-tea’ is, when people say high-tea, they actually mean low-tea … it has been wrongly termed for nearly 70 years because to us ‘high’ sounds more ‘posh’ than ‘low’ … Yet, high-tea was a working man’s hearty tea and supper after a long, hard day of manual labour. It was the combination of afternoon tea and the evening meal, of various dishes and cold cuts of meat and cheese, eaten on a high table, usually the only table in the house … Afternoon tea on the other hand would often be served for guests sitting around smaller, lower tables in the parlour with dainty desserts and fine china on them, and was always referred to as low-tea, this was the tea preferred by the upper classes, who had a much later evening meal in the separate dining room on the higher tables. What Bilbo started out hastily arranging when the bell rang was low-tea, for an important wizard, although to his dismay it ended up being a high-tea, for common ‘coal miners’ – this then is the underlying humour of the entire chapter, ‘An Unexpected Party’. Tolkien would have understood these strict conventions from his Victorian childhood, and he obviously (and thoroughly) enjoyed standing them on their head.
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Scary thing is I knew that, thanks to visiting...Victoria BC, the most British city on the continent. :scratch: 8)
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I didn't know of the high tea-low tea distinction until I was an adult, but I grew up calling the three meals breakfast, lunch and tea. I knew that 'tea' was a meal, while 'morning tea' and 'afternoon tea' were simply snacks.
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We called it supper, but I knew it was tea. :D
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I'd never even heard of "low tea," though I did know that "high tea" is a regular meal, not a ceremonial indulgence.

We called it supper, too. Breakfast, lunch, and supper.

Some families called supper dinner. We had our big Sunday meal at midday after church, and we called that dinner, but not any other meal in the week. The Sunday evening meal was still supper.
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Supper to me implies a snack eaten after tea and before bed. I know that in traditional usage dinner can be either the midday or evening meal, although I find that in modern Anglo-Australian usage it's come to refer to the evening meal only. Although I still hear the expression 'Christmas dinner', even though it's had at lunchtime.
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Yes, in my local usage any big fancy meal at any time of day is "dinner." So is eating the evening meal at a restaurant; we don't go out to supper, we go out to dinner, even though what we eat at home is supper.

Jane Austen talks about breakfast (served buffet-style in the breakfast-parlour, to be eaten when and if one pleased); tea (which was "low tea" but evidently still kept people alive until dinner); and "dinner," which was originally a midday meal but kept being pushed later and later by "fashionable hours" until it really was an evening meal. Then there would be "supper" late in the evening, which I gather was not served regularly except at balls and such, and I don't get the impression much ceremony was involved; dinner was the meal that was formally served at an official hour and for which one had to dress.

Of course, afternoon callers who missed teatime but were being shown particular courtesy would still be offered "refreshment," which might include fruit and little cakes and maybe a glass of wine for a gentleman.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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I grew up eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My parents grew up eating breakfast, dinner, and supper. I'd also slip in an afternoon snack because lunch was light and dinner was late.

I had no idea "tea" was an evening meal. I thought it was a formalized snack time. So when I watched Whale Rider and the heroine retrieves the chief's amulet and a beast that looked like a lobster "for Granddad's tea" from the bottom of the sea my first thought was "Lobster?? With tea??" But now it's making sense.
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I never heard anyone ever say "low tea". :scratch:

I recall reading that the custom of "afternoon tea" (which is what seems to be meant by "low tea") is quite a recent invention, like from early Victorian times, for women to have something to do in the dead hours between luncheon and dinner. Women of leisure, of course. Poor women had lots to do. :D

My friend Mrs. H. still says, now and again, "I think it's beans fer me tea. I'm knackered and can't be bothered getting anything else."
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Just to say, the link is worth clicking. That was just an appetizer... ;)
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I grew up with breakfast, "dinner" eaten at lunchtime, and tea - sandwiches and cake - in the early evening. My mother even now prefers to eat a cooked meal at lunchtime as she says it's better for the digestion. These days, like most families, we eat the main meal in the evening as a rule, except for Sundays, when traditional Sunday lunch means dinner at lunchtime.

Supper was a rarity...perhaps the cheese and crackers, that my Nan and Grandad served up after she got back from an evening at the bingo, counts!

I knew (probably from Enid Blyton books) that "high tea" was an expanded version of afternoon tea, and I usually experienced that on high days and holidays, such as when my Nan's family visited from Portsmouth, and we would have a dozen or more to feed. The kids would be squashed on to Nan's wooden ironing board placed between two chairs to fit more round the table. We would have salad and cooked meats alongside the bread and butter. Nan would make her special "cut and come again" fruit cake, and maybe even one of her wonderful pies, made with meat from the previous day's joint minced up and served hot or cold. She also made the most marvellous bread pudding, and often we would have her speciality milk jelly - there's an art to making one of those! - and ice cream, or a trifle.

High tea is an absolute feast! :drool:
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My Dad always had cheese and crackers (Jacobs Cream Crackers specifically), a slice of Apple pie and a mug of Tea at about 9pm or so. He always called that Supper.

But to get back to the recipes! Seed cake anyone?
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Alatar wrote:Seed cake anyone?
Yes, please! :)

I'm reading the descriptions of the foods that Bilbo fed to those unpleasant dwarves that showed up at his door quite unexpectedly one afternoon and about all I can do is :drool: .
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It occurred to me that the call for cakes and ale is a Shakespearean reference. There must be a thread on TORC about Tolkien and Shakespeare.
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Post by vison »

Don't know about that, but do know that "seed cake" can be nice or it can be dusty sawdust pressed into a cake-form with caraway seeds added and just as delicious as that sounds . . . . :(
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This is making me so hungry! :drool: :drool:

So now I'm craving clotted cream. :help: Where am I going to find that?
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World Market (an import market chain) sells Devonshire double cream in little jars. Some high-end kitchen shops and gourmet groceries carry it, too. The kind of places where you can buy fancy French jam in cute countrified jars, and scone mix in adorable little cloth bags—they'll probably have it. Just bring money.
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This is really not the thread to read before dinner (ie, our evening meal)! Good thing ours is baking away in the oven and will be ready soon.

I'm keen to try some of these recipes, Alatar - I enjoy cooking, and I have a number of historic cook books inherited from my mother, grandmother ... and even a Mrs Beeton's 'new' edition of 1911 from my great-grandmother.

If I do cook some from the Tolkien collection, I'll photograph and share. :D
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Please do, Sam!

And I know I could buy it or order it, but will it be the same, Prim? I had some one time at a tea shop, and it was heavenly. I did find a recipe for it, and I may try it.
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I have a friend who's married to an expat Englishman and visits England regularly, and she says it's the same. Double cream and clotted cream aren't quite the same thing, but you use them the same way.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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