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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 8:43 am 
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I split this off from the WTF thread - VtF

The President of the United States threatens to send the National Guard into Minneapolis, tweeting "when the looting starts, the shooting starts". Twitter hides the tweet per its terms of service which prohibit glorifying violence.

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I actually remember a time when this would have been an earth-shaking scandal, now it hardly merits a mention.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 12:05 pm 
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Earth-shaking scandals are a dime a dozen these days.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:33 pm 
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I find that one pretty terrifying.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:48 pm 
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The whole push to take some kind of action against Twitter is pretty terrifying, even if he likely can't do anything with teeth without Congress.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:50 pm 
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote:
I find that one pretty terrifying.


Me too. Reminds me of Indian riots. :cry:

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 2:09 pm 
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So a CNN Camera crew just got arrested...

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CNN crew arrested on live TV. Is this Nazi State enough for us yet?



*fingers crossed - yay it worked this time.*

Also, posted on top of Alatar. :hug:

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 2:25 pm 
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Holy shit. That looks so very, very bad for the police.

This probably should be in a different thread.

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yovargas wrote:
Holy shit. That looks so very, very bad for the police.

This probably should be in a different thread.


I think this looks very, very bad for the US. :(

And honestly, I couldn't really think of a better thread because I am SO out of whiskey for this fuckery.

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I'm of two minds about the different thread. I agree with yov that the subject deserves its on thread, but I also agree with elengil that it is about as WTF as it can get.

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elengil wrote:
CNN crew arrested on live TV. Is this Nazi State enough for us yet?




Pretty sure that is what a real violation of free speech looks like.

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Aaaand tonight they're just straight up firing riot bullets at media crews.


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 11:52 am 
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What in the world are they thinking over there???

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The situation, particularly in the twin cities, is morphing into something very, very scary. This is from a post by the writer Lidia Yuknavitch on Facebook:

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This is from a dear friend on the scene :: please read if you want to understand another danger emerging ::
So for those of you who are interested - I have no idea how national media is covering this - here is what is happening on the ground from my perspective. It is a long post.
All day yesterday people were out on the street helping businesses - EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IN UPTOWN has boarded up windows and locked down their stores. The 3rd Precinct, which burned on down Thursday night, is on the east end of Lake Street. Uptown, where we live and the 5th Precinct police station is located, is three miles west on lake street. All of Lake Street was looted on Thursday night. On Friday EVERY BUSINESS on Lake Street and adjoining commercial districts, was boarded up.
Many spray painted murals on the plywood - let folks know they were a local or minority owned business. Essential businesses.
Last night was by far the worst night. Protests during the day were peaceful. There was an 8:00pm curfew. Everything changed when the sun went down. There are roving and highly organized bands of anti-government neo-nazi white men cruising the city, breaking off plywood, looting stores, and then setting them fire to the buildings.
On the Northside, which is predominately African American, the situation was much the same. Local civic groups were trying to protect local businesses and homes. there were many fires.
The violence and destruction is NOT being driven by local people. The cars on the streets have either removed their license plates, or have out of state plates.
Here is a post from a neighbor, "Everybody! We need to get our heads around what’s happening, Mpls and St Paul are being attacked by fascist “accelerationist” white crazies. Trying to divide & destroy us.
Accelerationism: the idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world -Vox"
Expect these same types to infiltrate all of the legitimate protests happening in other cities in America. We are fighting an enemy within.
These "accelerationists" burned down the 5th Police Precinct, our post office, every pharmacy. The Wallgreens and CVS within a few blocks of our house are still burning this morning. The grocery stores were all hit. Every bank has been hit. Every liquor store, every gas station. They have guns and accelerants.
When National Guard show up, they disappear into the neighborhoods and have been setting fires. It is a violent game of arsonist wake-a-mole. There is no longer any fire fighting service available - overwhelmed. So neighbors are using garden hoses to put out the fires and save homes. Pictures neighbors are sharing - these are young white men, heavily armed.
According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these "accelerationists" in the city. St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people. These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.
Gov. Walz just said, "If you know where these people are sleeping today, let us know and we will execute warrants. Allie and I were helping the owner of a commercial building up the street - a friend, and two of these guys came up to us. Wanted to know where the free food was being distributed. He gave them an address that was three blocks away. Had no idea what we were talking about - not from here.
Allie, the girls and I are fine and safe. Exhausted. Angry. We have not really slept in three days. Everyone in Minneapolis/St. Paul is the same.
So, what to do? Our neighborhood group is meeting at the park this afternoon. I think that they will organize our neighborhood watch to patrol, try to spot fires and get them out ASAP.
Major protests are planned for today. They want the other three police officers involved in George Floyd's murder arrested, they want the MN Attorney General, not the Hennepin County Attorney to manage the case. They want the MPD disbanded and reformed with many alternative public safety and law enforcement strategies used. But the legitimate protests will end at 8:00 pm.
The Gov. and the mayor are calling in thousands more National Guard Troops. We already had more National Guard troops in the city than ever before. They are doing a good job but were overwhelmed last night by sheer numbers. Gov. Walz is the highest ranking soldier to have ever served in Congress and led the National Guard - he clearly sees this for what it is and will fight it. This is now a military operation by the State of Minnesota against alt-right, white nationalists and anarchists that have come into Minneapolis to use the protests against police brutality as cover for their death fantasy.
They are trying to force authorities to use deadly force and "accelerate" the violence.
It is dark friends.
The other side - this morning the neighborhood is out in force helping with the clean up, re-securing businesses. Massive food distribution at community centers. People taking in neighbors whose homes were destroyed or whose neighborhood was so impacted that it is no longer habitable. Allie was ion contact with students, many of whom are refugees from war torn countries, that were hearing explosions and fire and sirens - they were calling her to make sure she was okay.
Today I will garden. My flowers are starting to really come into bloom. Vegetables coming in strong. New raised bed being built. Eat some good food. Feel grateful. Train our new puppy Ruth, who is just a pip. Take her to the lake and give her a swimming lesson. Then I'll take a nap. I think tonight will be a long one.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:10 am 
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I've been following events in the U.S. pretty closely for nearly two decades. I was in the country six weeks before 9/11, at the start of the recovery from the 2008-2009 recession, and during the Trump Presidency. This is the first time I'm feeling genuinely fearful for its future. It is seeing, quite literally, the worst pandemic since 1918-1920, the worst recession since the Great Depression, and the most serious civil disorder since 1968 all at once.


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I'd add: with the most incompetent president & administration America has ever had.

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It's been confirmed that a white man was one of the first to start breaking windows so looting could take place. He's been identified as a St Paul police officer, and his ex-wife confirmed he was wearing her mask and gloves!

They say he was sympathizing with the rioters, but I wonder who's side he was really on, as the other whites taking part wanted to make the black community look as bad as possible. There are pictures of whites taking part in the looting, and some were even yelled at by blacks who were present, and wanted to stop the looting.

This is just all kinds of messed up... :nono:

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The police department has since said the officer in question was on duty at the time he was supposedly breaking windows to encourage looting. But there seems to be little doubt that those encouraging violence were from outside St Paul, and the same is true in some other areas where violence broke out:

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far- ... 8yIY6MzSs0

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There is no question in my mind that the man in the gas mask was not sympathetic to the protest but rather was a provocateur looking to incite anarchy for reasons unrelated to protesting George Floyd's death. But I am very doubtful that he was actually Officer Pederson.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:54 am 
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Interesting Twitter thread by activist Samuel Sinyangwe on what does and doesn't prevent police violence, according to his summaries of the research.

He concludes that these things don't work:
-Body cams
-Training and diversity programs

While these do:
-Legal restrictions on use of force
-Demilitarisation
-Tracking the records of individual officers
-Alternatives to police intervention, such as diverting 911 calls regarding people exhibiting symptoms of mental illness to mental health professionals

I can't comment, but it looks interesting.


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