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yovargas wrote:Quite honestly, I am somewhat surprised that this and the Bernie-supporter shooter are the only instances we've had of this kind of thing in the past 2 years.
It isn't, remember just this June someone shot up Capital Gazette killing 5 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... r-shooting
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Arguably, the woman who was killed at the Charlotteville rally falls in that category, too. As does the black man who was beat up at the Trump rally before the election, and several others who were accosted.
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elengil wrote:
yovargas wrote:Quite honestly, I am somewhat surprised that this and the Bernie-supporter shooter are the only instances we've had of this kind of thing in the past 2 years.
It isn't, remember just this June someone shot up Capital Gazette killing 5 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... r-shooting
I'm referring to instances motivated by political anger. I had to Google it as I didn't recall hearing about it (it's not like mass shootings are rare here....) but apparently that shooting was not politically motivated.
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yovargas wrote:
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yovargas wrote:Quite honestly, I am somewhat surprised that this and the Bernie-supporter shooter are the only instances we've had of this kind of thing in the past 2 years.
It isn't, remember just this June someone shot up Capital Gazette killing 5 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... r-shooting
I'm referring to instances motivated by political anger. I had to Google it as I didn't recall hearing about it (it's not like mass shootings are rare here....) but apparently that shooting was not politically motivated.
That's my mistake, then. I had thought there was a political aspect to it at the time, but perhaps it came out later there wasn't and I missed it.
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The Annapolis shooter, Jared Ramos, had links to the so-called alt-right, which has looked to Mr. Trump for inspiration and has experienced tremendous growth under that inspiration.

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclus ... alt-right/
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If there was anything that depressed him more than his own cynicism, it was that quite often it still wasn't as cynical as real life.

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You can add Robert Bowers (the man who killed at least 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue today) to that list, as he apparently targeted Jewish people because he blamed them for helping the "invaders" in the migrant caravans that Mr. Trump has been complaining about so much recently, and which his allies have falsely claimed were sponsored by Jewish billionaire George Soros.
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Terrorism just this week: bombs sent to Trump critics. a white man tried to force his way into a black church and then shot two black people at random. Today (Shabbat morning) there is an attack on a synagogue. https://t.co/0R44AnDBpZ
I didn't even hear about the church attack until today.
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This is connected to the refugee caravan and Soros?!

:x :rage:

I'm so angry!

Our president stirs up hatred and then sits back and pretends to condemn it (sometimes). What a joke.
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Not even. He went ahead with a campaign rally and used the same "globalist" rhetoric that had gotten people killed.

It was a bris. They haven't said if the baby was OK.
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One report said that no children were killed. That at least. :cry:
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I second your anger Laly.

I was not raised to treat people differently based on the color of their skin or where they chose to worship or where they were from yet, just yesterday, words came out of the mouth of both my mother and sister that could have been on KKK or Nazi literature. Of course neither believes they are racist, but based on what they said, I don't think they understand the meaning of the word or that they have 'gone there'. I am deeply disturbed by their words. Trump, Fox news, and other propaganda have taken it's toll. History has shown this can and has happened, repeatedly.

A man groped a woman on a plane a few days ago and he said that Trump 'said it was OK' to grope women. Trump applauded someone who body-slammed a reporter & broke his glasses. He encourages violence against anyone who has different views (or won't back his lies). "Beat them up" he says, "Throw them in prison." The Press is the 'enemy of the people'.. all while he spouts lies and conspiracy theories, calls people names and lauds the likes of Putin, Kim, Duterte, and the Saudi's. Wow. How we have fallen.

From the top down. That's leadership. By word, deed, and example. There should be dignity and discernment, but this is what we have. This is what we are becoming. It is not strength to bully the poor and weak and cravenly cow-tow to oligarchies and dictators. If we as a country go astray, what world power will come to the defense of the bullied and oppressed? China, Russia, Saudi Arabia? Sadly, I'm thinking no.

Below is a quote from Ronald Reagan. I was not a Reagan supporter, but compared to what we have now.. wow.. just.. no words.
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Meanwhile, on Fox.
Straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Just moments ago, Lou Dobbs guest Chris Farrell (head of Judicial Watch) says Caravan is being funded/directed by the "Soros-occupied State Department". https://t.co/QBSong7uk1
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409
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The right wing extremists sure feel comfortable flying their freak flags. A bit too comfortable, I'd say. The people pushing this utter nonsense about Soros ought to be given the same treatment Megyn Kelly got. They are, in my opinion, far more deserving.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. (Voltaire) :cry:
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An update from Fox is that Chris Farrell will no longer be invited on Fox "News" or Fox Business. There has been no action taken regarding the show's host Lou Dobbs, who joined Farrell in promoting the conspiracy theory.

Meanwhile, here's the unrolled Twitter thread that explored why Nationalist ideology needs antisemitism. I highly recommend reading the entire thing, but some highlights are here

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1056 ... 58720.html

10. Right-wing nationalism needs anti-Semitism (or some very similar ideology) for structural reasons: all nations have internal divisions & therefore there has to be someone upon whom these can be blamed.

11. Further, because capitalism is prone is recurring crisis, right-wing nationalists need someone to blame economic problems on. As nationalists, they are loath to blame wealthy who belong to ethnic majority (are part of "the people"). Hence, repeatedly, blame wealthy Jews.

12. As August Bebel famously said, "anti-semitism is the socialism of fools" -- i.e. a way of blaming structural problems of capitalism on unpopular minority. That's a big part of story, but there's more: anti-Semitism needed to explain mass uprisings.

/... /

14. For the right-wing nationalist, popular uprisings (unless of nationalist intent) are unnatural. But how to explain the discontent of workers, colonized, women, etc? Acknowledging legitimate grievances would mean having to accept social change.

15. Unable (because of commitment to social status quo) to acknowledge grievances of subaltern classes, the right-wing nationalist needs a scapegoat who can be blamed for discord. For historical reasons, easiest handy one is myth of conniving conspiratorial Jew.
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WTF? This has got to be a deliberate affront.
Unreal but very real. The “rabbi” who offered a prayer today before the ⁦@VP⁩ campaign event believes in Jesus. That is not a Jewish Rabbi. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4757811/ ... s-michigan
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There used to be a program on TV called, "Jews for Jesus". Ah yes, they have a webpage.
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Meanwhile, here is another example of someone who specifically claims to have been inspired by Mr. Trump to engage in violent acts.

Trump’s rhetoric pushed man to commit terror plot: lawyers
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RoseMorninStar wrote:There used to be a program on TV called, "Jews for Jesus". Ah yes, they have a webpage.
Yes, I know who they are. I don't know why Vice President thought it was appropriate to have one of them act as a "rabbi". What's next, a Christmas service by Catholics for Mohammed?

PS: oh, who am I kidding, of course I know why.
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