Trump's America

The place for measured discourse about politics and current events, including developments in science and medicine.
Post Reply
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
1000%
Posts: 38372
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Urban vs. Rural Cultural and Political Divide

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

Since the other thread is about the election, which is over, I think we need a new thread to discuss (mourn?) the reality moving forward.

Today Trump made some important appointments, one of which suggests a standard GOP administration, and the other of which, well, is terrifying. He appointed current RNC chairman Reince Priebus as his Chief of Staff. But he also named Steve Bannon the former head of Brietbart, and his Campaign Chairman, as chief strategist and senior counselor to the president. Anyone who thinks that Trump will be moderate in his approach can pretty forget it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... strategist
"Among the tales of sorrow there are yet some in which amid weeping there is joy and under the shadow of death light that endures."
User avatar
Frelga
Meanwhile...
Posts: 18263
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:31 pm
Location: Home, where else

Re: Trump's America

Post by Frelga »

Is HuffPo the only news outlet with the guts to actually call Bannon a White Nationalist, or is it understood that it's what alt-right stands for?

ETA: minutes after posting this, I came across this tweet
Let's be clear here media. Stop using "Alt Right." It is the racist, anti-semitic, fascist extreme right. Please be clear & stop normalizing
This is from John Weaver, the strategist for John Kasich. I'm impressed.
There should be a word for the microscopic spark of hope that you dare not entertain in case the mere act of acknowledging it will cause it to vanish, like trying to look at a photon. You can only sidle up to it, looking past it, walking past it, waiting for it to get big enough to face the world.
- Terry Pratchett, Mort
User avatar
Impenitent
Throw me a rope.
Posts: 6766
Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:13 am
Location: Deep in Oz

Re: Trump's America

Post by Impenitent »

I've seen "white supremacist, antisemitic and fascist" in most of the media outlets I've come across, so no, not just HuffPost.

But you know he's going to use the "some of my best friends are..." argument against any accusation of antisemitism, because his son-in-law is a Jew. (And how the hell can Kushner support Trump in this and stand for it? I find this incomprehensible.)
Mornings wouldn't suck so badly if they came later in the day.
User avatar
Cerin
Posts: 6339
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:10 am

Re: Trump's America

Post by Cerin »

Is 'chief strategist and senior counselor' an official post? That is, does every President name a 'chief strategist and senior counselor', or is this something they made up?
Avatar photo by Richard Lykes, used with permission.
User avatar
Dave_LF
Wrong within normal parameters
Posts: 5869
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Location: The other side of Michigan

Re: Trump's America

Post by Dave_LF »

It's not in the Constitution, if that's what you mean, but the office has existed since Nixon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counselor ... _President

No formal power; it pretty much is what the president makes it.
User avatar
Inanna
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
Posts: 14598
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:03 pm

Re: Trump's America

Post by Inanna »

This made me, actually, laugh out loud (from FT):

"Meanwhile, President Obama said he plans to spend more time with Trump, who's reportedly "surprised" at the scope of his new job."
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude
User avatar
Dave_LF
Wrong within normal parameters
Posts: 5869
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Location: The other side of Michigan

Re: Trump's America

Post by Dave_LF »

Winning was easy, old man, governing's harder

(obscure Hamilton reference)
User avatar
Cerin
Posts: 6339
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:10 am

Re: Trump's America

Post by Cerin »

Trump is going to have some mighty pissed-off extremists storming the castle unless he does something to placate them, as they begin to see that his campaign rhetoric was all lies. Appointing Bannon to a no-power position makes sense in this context.

Trump has a history of big ideas that he quickly tires of. This is another one. He got what he wanted -- a position that gains him the ostensible respect of the important people who've always scorned him. He has no real interest in the work of the Presidency. It will be easy for those who are teaching him how things work to lead him in their preferred direction as they stroke his ego and make him feel important.
Last edited by Cerin on Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Avatar photo by Richard Lykes, used with permission.
User avatar
Dave_LF
Wrong within normal parameters
Posts: 5869
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Location: The other side of Michigan

Re: Trump's America

Post by Dave_LF »

Optimistically, that's all it is. Not many are feeling optimistic at the moment, though.
User avatar
Lalaith
Lali Beag Bídeach
Posts: 14657
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:42 pm
Location: Rivendell

Re: Trump's America

Post by Lalaith »



Worth the time to watch.

(Language warning, obviously.)
Image
User avatar
River
bioalchemist
Posts: 12472
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:08 am
Location: the dry land

Re: Trump's America

Post by River »

Inanna wrote:This made me, actually, laugh out loud (from FT):

"Meanwhile, President Obama said he plans to spend more time with Trump, who's reportedly "surprised" at the scope of his new job."
"This is the Situation Room." Beat. "I watched bin Laden die from this chair. Hillary was over there. Quite a night. Coffee? Tea?"
When you can do nothing what can you do?
User avatar
yovargas
I miss Prim ...
Posts: 15011
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:13 am
Location: Florida

Re: Trump's America

Post by yovargas »

(What's FT?)
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image
User avatar
Inanna
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
Posts: 14598
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:03 pm

Re: Trump's America

Post by Inanna »

yovargas wrote:(What's FT?)
Sorry, Financial Times. From across the pond.
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude
User avatar
Voronwë the Faithful
1000%
Posts: 38372
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:41 am
Contact:

Re: Trump's America

Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

This is a bit technical, but I think pretty much on point (slight language warning).

An analysis of Donald Trump’s election win and the prospects for his presidency
"Among the tales of sorrow there are yet some in which amid weeping there is joy and under the shadow of death light that endures."
User avatar
Inanna
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
Posts: 14598
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:03 pm

Re: Trump's America

Post by Inanna »

Very well written, V. Thank you for the link.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude
User avatar
Frelga
Meanwhile...
Posts: 18263
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:31 pm
Location: Home, where else

Re: Trump's America

Post by Frelga »

Succinct and well researched.
There should be a word for the microscopic spark of hope that you dare not entertain in case the mere act of acknowledging it will cause it to vanish, like trying to look at a photon. You can only sidle up to it, looking past it, walking past it, waiting for it to get big enough to face the world.
- Terry Pratchett, Mort
User avatar
Primula Baggins
Living in hope
Posts: 40005
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:43 am
Location: Sailing the luminiferous aether
Contact:

Re: Trump's America

Post by Primula Baggins »

It's nothing we haven't heard a lot lately. My husband was making the same point just the other night.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
User avatar
Dave_LF
Wrong within normal parameters
Posts: 5869
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Location: The other side of Michigan

Re: Trump's America

Post by Dave_LF »

Impressive ability to write about a complex subject at a grade level that doesn't leave anyone out.
User avatar
yovargas
I miss Prim ...
Posts: 15011
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:13 am
Location: Florida

Re: Trump's America

Post by yovargas »

Cerin wrote:Trump is going to have some mighty pissed-off extremists storming the castle unless he does something to placate them, as they begin to see that his campaign rhetoric was all lies. Appointing Bannon to a no-power position makes sense in this context.
It also makes sense in the context of Bannon's world views aligning with Trump's.
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image
User avatar
Frelga
Meanwhile...
Posts: 18263
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:31 pm
Location: Home, where else

Re: Trump's America

Post by Frelga »

Also in the context of his campaign rhetoric being perfectly sincere. At least the White Supremacist-friendly portion.

Seriously, dafuq is alt-right? It sounds like a keyboard shortcut.
There should be a word for the microscopic spark of hope that you dare not entertain in case the mere act of acknowledging it will cause it to vanish, like trying to look at a photon. You can only sidle up to it, looking past it, walking past it, waiting for it to get big enough to face the world.
- Terry Pratchett, Mort
Post Reply