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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:54 pm 
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I'm suggesting that while bodycount does influence coverage in a directly proportional manner, I'm also suggesting that there are other factors that can increase or decrease coverage of any specific incident. There are many factors about the YouTube shooter that discourage coverage aside from the low body count.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:18 am 
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And I think you are absolutely wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:35 pm 
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I mulled this over a little bit.

Let’s see - the shooter was a female ethnic immigrant vegan Muslim in a state with very strict gun control laws from a country “on the list” and this is presented as a reason for the story to be “buried”.

What about the San Bernadino shooter? Female ethnic immigrant Muslim ( not sure if she was vegan or not ) in a state with very strict gun control laws from a country on the list and THAT story was most definitely not buried. Body count a lot higher though, and obvious terrorist connections. Made for a stronger story.

My local news contains a regular stream of shootings, often with people injured, sometimes with people dying, and none of those blip on the national news. I suspect this is true for shootings all over the country.

I think this story blipped mostly because YouTube is a big, well-known company ( now it is more nationally newsworthy than a small local business being targeted, or a domestic shooting ) and would have blipped even harder if there was a body count.

I also think that those white cis-male Christian shootings probably blip harder because it appears that there is a bit of a pattern there, mass shootings with high-powered weaponry ... white men holding the guns ... and that pattern itself is also news. Add a few more female ethnic immigrant vegan Muslim in a state with very strict gun control laws from a country “on the list” shootings and the news media will sit up and write about that trend too, because now there is a pattern, a story, something to write about.

At our cores human beings are organic pattern recognition and processing machines. In general, we as a species find patterns more interesting than isolated bits of information. We look for patterns in everything around us ( which leads to great discoveries sometimes, but at other times lead to things like conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers, or thinking we can game the stock market - not all patterns are valid or wholesome ). You, Cenedril_Gildinaur, are also looking for a pattern on this topic, but I'm not sure the pattern you're aiming at is there when I compare this shooting to the coverage of many other low or no body-count shootings that I know about from my hometown. Like I said, the most obvious thing I could find that really rose this story to "national" level was the fact that the business it happened at is nationally well-known.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:32 pm 
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Well stated, Griff. There are so many incidents of gun violence in this country few make headlines let alone sustained headlines. It's not a good commentary on our society. We have become desensitized by the inundation of incidents.

I've read a few stories lately (one incident in my own small town) of 'responsible' citizens with concealed carry permits absentmindedly leaving their loaded guns in public places (most often restrooms). The stories might make for a tiny blip in the news, but one of these days a child (or someone else who should not have a weapon) is going to walk into the restroom and shoot themselves or someone else. Then it will be Bigger News. *sigh*

The Parkland shooting has made sustained headlines because the victims were not content to accept the situation they found themselves in and have chosen to speak out. Sadly, however, it seems there is a price to pay for victims who push back against gun violence. Many victims, companies, or grieving families may not feel they can handle such vitriolic attacks when they are already dealing with tragedy. Like victims of rape or abuse, 'good' victims stay silent, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:38 pm 
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What Griffy said. I think it's fair to say that if youtube hadn't been involved, this shooting would have gotten next to zero national attention, regardless of the criminals demographic.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:36 pm 
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President Trump will appear at the NRA convention in Dallas on Friday.


I assume it will be an open carry event since guns is what makes us safe.

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Frelga wrote:
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President Trump will appear at the NRA convention in Dallas on Friday.


I assume it will be an open carry event since guns is what makes us safe.

:rofl: :rotfl:
Um yeah... about that... :roll:


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The Secret Service made sure that it was NOT an open carry event.

I was tempted to post this in the Whisky Tango Foxtrot thread, but I guess it should probably go here. A true marriage made in he... (fill in the blank).

NRA To Name Oliver North As President

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:01 pm 
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote:
The Secret Service made sure that it was NOT an open carry event.


And of course the NRA is vehemently protesting this heinous violation of their constitutional rights. Isn't it? No? How odd.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
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Frelga wrote:
And of course the NRA is vehemently protesting this heinous violation of their constitutional rights.


That's as true as this statement: President Trump has lauded the unarmed African-American man who prevented the Waffle House shooting from becoming even worse than it was by tackling the shooter while he was reloading and personally called him to thank him for his heroism.

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Someone mentioned this on FB during the last week, and it has me going 'hmmmm....' :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:32 pm 
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Capital Gazette came out today but left the Opinions page blank, after a gunman murdered five people in their building.

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Tomorrow this Capital page will return to its steady purpose of offering readers informed opinion about the world around them. But today, we are speechless. https://t.co/5HzKN2IW7Q


Once again, the shooter was a man with a history of harassing women and making threats online. The President offered his thoughts and prayers.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Debate
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Frelga wrote:
Capital Gazette came out today but left the Opinions page blank, after a gunman murdered five people in their building.

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Tomorrow this Capital page will return to its steady purpose of offering readers informed opinion about the world around them. But today, we are speechless. https://t.co/5HzKN2IW7Q


Once again, the shooter was a man with a history of harassing women and making threats online. The President offered his thoughts and prayers.

*Bolding mine.

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We have a president who harasses (not just women, but allied leaders, businesses, individuals, judges, just about anyone but Putin) and makes threats online AND publicly, all of the time.


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