The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies fan reviews... SPOILERS
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I'm not so sure. In any event, it would be good to ask. We have gotten lots of raven "motifs" in armor and structures, so it's possible. And, of course, we got the thrush.
Also, does Dcole mention how Dain gets the message from Thorin and company? There needs to be a scene around that plot point, in order to avoid the perception that Dain's arrival is another deus ex machina. And absent sending one of the dwarves, a raven messenger seems to be a perfectly adequate and economical solution.
Also, does Dcole mention how Dain gets the message from Thorin and company? There needs to be a scene around that plot point, in order to avoid the perception that Dain's arrival is another deus ex machina. And absent sending one of the dwarves, a raven messenger seems to be a perfectly adequate and economical solution.
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Done.Passdagas the Brown wrote:By the way, can someone ask this Dcole chap to comment on whether or not the ravens are in?
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Thank you, Sir!
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His response was: "I have no comment ". He said earlier that he was deliberately choosing not to say anything about the best parts.
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To be even more accurate, he said "Regarding the ravens, I have no comment. " Definitely sounds like he likes the ravens.
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That would seem to imply that they're in! Since he specifically focused on the negatives in his review, and gave us many specifics there (including about what was NOT included), it stands to reason (if he is consistent) that he would tell us if the ravens were excluded. IMO, this is rather encouraging. If they are indeed in the film, I might forgive both bat-riding Legolas and ice-skating Azog and Thorin.
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Not just in, but something that he particularly liked.
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I had a feeling they would be in. After all, what other options are there for Thorin to get a message to Dain?
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Well, we'll see. I'm not getting my hopes up too much, at least about that. Although other than the Legolas shenanigans (and the silly Aragorn thing which is only a throwaway), I am mostly encouraged by what I am hearing.
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Strangely enough, so am I...
I also didn't mind that clip of the battle. Though there was lots of CGI, the setting looked more naturalistic than I was expecting.
I also didn't mind that clip of the battle. Though there was lots of CGI, the setting looked more naturalistic than I was expecting.
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A little more from Dcole:
Questions:
1) Is Smaug's dialogue mostly "Grr! I'll kill you all!", or does he get in any nice last-minute monologues?
2) Is CGI Dain still recognizable as Billy Connolly?
3) How well is Thorin's descent into madness handled?
4) What is the context of the scene between Dwalin and Balin? Do we get any hints whatsoever about his eventual return to Moria?
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1) Smaug is has a bit more than Grr... I will kill you all, but it's not as much as DOS.
2) I think so, but he's very heavy armored and bearded.
3) Very well.
4) No hints, I don't distinctly remember that scene. But there are lots of nice moments for characters like Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Kili, Bard, Thranduil & Gandalf during the beginning and middle section of the film. Lots of great drama and great dialogue.
Questions:
1) Is Smaug's dialogue mostly "Grr! I'll kill you all!", or does he get in any nice last-minute monologues?
2) Is CGI Dain still recognizable as Billy Connolly?
3) How well is Thorin's descent into madness handled?
4) What is the context of the scene between Dwalin and Balin? Do we get any hints whatsoever about his eventual return to Moria?
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1) Smaug is has a bit more than Grr... I will kill you all, but it's not as much as DOS.
2) I think so, but he's very heavy armored and bearded.
3) Very well.
4) No hints, I don't distinctly remember that scene. But there are lots of nice moments for characters like Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Kili, Bard, Thranduil & Gandalf during the beginning and middle section of the film. Lots of great drama and great dialogue.
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Regarding the reported CGI Dain, several critics have mentioned Dain without saying anything about him being CGI, and one on twitter expressed surprise when someone asked him about it. Either it is extraordinarily well done, or Dcole is wrong about this.
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But it's not just dcole (who is 100% certain that Dain is CGI). One or two of the professional reviewers also mentioned it.Voronwë the Faithful wrote:Regarding the reported CGI Dain, several critics have mentioned Dain without saying anything about him being CGI, and one on twitter expressed surprise when someone asked him about it. Either it is extraordinarily well done, or Dcole is wrong about this.
My guess is that some people are simply not that perceptive when it comes to visual details. Just ask any police officer who has had to deal with the awful face-recognition skills of crime witnesses.
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I am quite sure that it won't bother me a bit.
Quite pleased by "But there are lots of nice moments for characters like Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Kili, Bard, Thranduil & Gandalf during the beginning and middle section of the film. Lots of great drama and great dialogue." And by "How well is Thorin's descent into madness handled?" "Very well."
Quite pleased by "But there are lots of nice moments for characters like Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Kili, Bard, Thranduil & Gandalf during the beginning and middle section of the film. Lots of great drama and great dialogue." And by "How well is Thorin's descent into madness handled?" "Very well."
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My guess is that he might respond with more detail to a private message. But please, don't go out of your way! I'm just dying to get confirmation on this, either way.Dave_LF wrote:His response was: "I have no comment ". He said earlier that he was deliberately choosing not to say anything about the best parts.
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Here is a ridiculously detailed description of the film. I actually stopped reading it part way through because even I don't want to be spoiled this much, but PtB, he does confirm the ravens.
I read it after all. Seriously, don't read it, it is too much. But he likes it much more than Dcole.
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http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?p=141192592I read it after all. Seriously, don't read it, it is too much. But he likes it much more than Dcole.
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Woah...Strangely, this positive review has me more worried than the negative ones...
Also, though this person confirmed that a raven is in, he seems to imply that no raven was sent for Dain (and that it simply arrives, heralding Dain's approach). A strange way to go about it, I think.
However, I'm just thrilled that there's a raven in there somewhere!
Which reminds me:
PTB: 3
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I know Peter Jackson!
Also, though this person confirmed that a raven is in, he seems to imply that no raven was sent for Dain (and that it simply arrives, heralding Dain's approach). A strange way to go about it, I think.
However, I'm just thrilled that there's a raven in there somewhere!
Which reminds me:
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I told you not to read it!
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I'm definitely the "better to be spoiled" type. The more I can anticipate this stuff, the easier it will be to accept it and pay attention to how the film unfolds.
Oh, and:
Good morning: check
Bilbo gets knocked out: check
Ravens: check.
You're welcome.
Oh, and:
Good morning: check
Bilbo gets knocked out: check
Ravens: check.
You're welcome.
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And am I only one that's gleeful about the omission of the goat-cart on ice scene?