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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:10 pm 
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Jonas, thank you very much for posting that!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:17 pm 
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Back in the day when PJ was making Lord of the rings, I always took there more revisionist stance, but for what Amazon is doing with this, which could so easily slide into cheap fanfiction territory, I am actually quite glad to hear that there is somebody there telling them whether or not what they are doing is Tolkien enough.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:56 am 
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I saw this today at TORN, posted by "Mushroom" and I don't recall seeing it before (but perhaps I just forgot). But it very intriguing.

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“The increase in turnover contributed a portion of this [doubling of profit],” the company said in a Companies House filing published on Thursday.

“However, the main driver was a one-off deal with Amazon, where in conjunction with Warner Bros and the Tolkien estate we sold the rights for a multi-series TV show to be shown on Amazon Prime based on the Lord of the Rings Appendices.”


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/ ... its-rights


As I said there, I would tend to discount that as "fake news" but it is actually quoting a filing made by Harper Collins (which I was able to look up and confirm). Presumably, they would not make that claim about the show being based on the LoTR Appendices in an official filing if it were not at least partly true.

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I watched A Monster Call directed by JA Bayona, who is directing the first two episodes if you need a reminder. Wow, I am seriously impressed! This is a great movie.

It is visually splendid, both in its big setpieces (the animated sequences are stunning) and more subtle arrangements and camerawork in the small dramatic scenes. Liam Neeson voices the ent-like monster, and Sigourney Weaver supports in probably one of her better later roles.

The tone strikes the mix of fairy tale enchantment, emotional drama, and horror elements that the Second Age would need. It deals with themes of morality, death and the desire for deathlessness, and subcreation in a thoughtful manner, I would even say Tolkienesque in some ways.

Based off this movie, Bayona is a great choice for director and their choice to lead off with him gives me more confidence in what Amazon is doing.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:29 pm 
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Glad to hear that.

TORN (as I know you know already, k_z), initially reported on their Facebook page that Amazon only had the rights to the LOTR appendices and that anything in posthumously published works including UT and The Silmarillion were off-limits. When it was pointed out that they have already used material that did not appear in the LOTR appendices and only appeared in UT on the promotional map, they clarified on their Twitter feed: "Tolkien Estate is allowing posthumously published names, places & storylines on a case-by-case basis. This means that the map was reviewed & approved specifically by the family. Anything outside the appendices may be included or vetoed. But if its in LOTR, rights are secured." That is more consistent with what Shippey said in his interview, but I doubt it is the whole story. Amazon was not going to pay $250 million for such a limited and vague set of rights. I would guess that it is more broadly worded but that the Estate has (as Shippey noted) some kind of limited right to review and approve or reject what they do.

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