It is currently Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:53 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4154 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200 ... 208  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:46 am 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Ah!

Sent from my LG G6 using Tapatalk

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:59 am 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
That would be Legolas' exclamation upon seeing the Balrog: "Ai!".

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:08 am 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
LOL! (Actually, when I ran that through at translationparty, it came out as "Artificial Intelligence."

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:15 am 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
This should be fun.

"The cursed despicable peach!"

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:10 am 
Offline
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:03 pm
Posts: 12674
PEACH? is That there in the original?

_________________
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:51 am 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Yes, though it is not the full word in the original.

It is not said by a major character. And it is neither Man, Elf, Dwarf, or Hobbit.

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:59 pm 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
Was it spoken by someone who used to be a hobbit, or used to be a man?

Or a woman?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:19 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
No. (Though there are some questions about whether his or her ancestors may have been human.)

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:44 pm 
Offline
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:03 pm
Posts: 12674
Is it spoken by Ghân <automatic umlaut is missing!>

_________________
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:09 pm 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
Might his or her ancestors have been elves?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:33 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Inanna, no. (The full name Ghân-buri-Ghân was included in the word replacement list, but not Ghân. I have remedied that oversight.)

Jude, yes, exactly. It is also possible that the speaker was nothing more than a talking "beast" animated by Melkor's (and/or Sauron's) fell power. I think it highly unlikely, however, that this particularly speaker was a minor Maia taking an earthly form in service of its master(s).

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:53 pm 
Offline
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:03 pm
Posts: 12674
Ok, now am lost.

I thought Jude was tending towards Orcs, but V's response has completely confused me.

_________________
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:06 pm 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
I'm still leaning towards an orc. Voronwë's explanation refers to the fact that there is some dispute as to their origin.

I'm puzzled by the fact that it mentioned a peach, though - I always thought they were dedicated carnivores.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:25 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Yes, an orc. The origin of the orcs is certainly in dispute, with Tolkien at different points stating that they were perverted men, or perverted Elves, or simply beasts that were not really sentient but were able to speak through being animated by Melkor and/or Sauron. He also noted that some "great orcs" (which he called "Baldogs" were actually minor Maiar that took that form in the service of their masters.

And yes the reference to a peach is puzzling, but I can confirm that the reference to "peach" was not in regard to eating (and remember, I said that while "peach" is in the original, it is not the full word in the original). I can also honestly say that in all of the literally dozens of readings of the book that I have done in the past, I have never noticed the use of the word before.

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:35 pm 
Offline
2018 Fitbit Balrog*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:03 pm
Posts: 12674
I have no memory of reading/discussing that Orcs could be minor Maia taking earthly forms. Wow, you think you know your lore.

Maybe its "peachy" - describing the situation rather than the fruit.

_________________
*title copyright: Teremia

'You just said "your getting shorter": you've obviously been drinking too much ent-draught and not enough Prim's.' - Jude


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:36 pm 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
So it's an orc, discussing peaches in a non-food context.

Um - from The Hobbit?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:41 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Not The Hobbit.

Edited to add because I missed Inanna's post:

The discussion about some Orcs being minor Maiar is in the "Myth's Transformed" section of Morgoth's Ring.

The word in the original is not "Peachy" but you are someway on the right track (in the sense that the word in the original is "Peach" with an extra syllable).

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 pm 
Online
Lán de Grás
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm
Posts: 4662
Rats. I was pretty sure it was in one of their goblin songs :blackeye:

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:45 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 36141
Not part of a song (and see my edit to my post above).

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:02 pm 
Offline
Meanwhile...
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:31 pm
Posts: 16111
Location: Out on the banks
Is the word "impeach"? Is it Rudy Giuliani?

Look, I have resisted making that joke for 24 hours, but I'm only human.
:blackeye:

_________________
Image

“I am not so blind that I can't see darkness.”
Dangerous Beans
Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4154 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200 ... 208  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group