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That's it!
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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New Quote:

"His new things must be brought to you. It attacks before evil"

The meaning is completely changed. Completely.
Some key words remain. And "attacks" is not in the original phrase but does capture the meaning of the second sentence in the quote.
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Is "things", "brought", and "evil" in the original?
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Evil, yes.
Brought, in a different tense.
Things, no.
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Does it have to do with Frodo bringing evil into Lothlórien?
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No. It’s a positive statement.

And after Lothlórien
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Is it one of those "evil contains seeds of its own destruction" quotes?
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Long stretch, but:
You speak evil of that which is fair beyond the reach of your thought, and only little wit can excuse you.
Gimli to Éomer?
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Frelga wrote:Is it one of those "evil contains seeds of its own destruction" quotes?
No. But the meaning implies evil being destroyed.

No, Jude.
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Another hint:

One of the key words that got removed referred to morning.
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Another wild guess: spoken by one of the Three Hunters after the Fellowship broke up?
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Yes. But not in that context.
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Was it spoken during the Final Council?
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Actually, I should have said "The Last Debate" rather than "The Final Council"
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No, the three hunters have completed the purpose of their hunt, and are now engaged in a "side" war because of borders they crossed during that hunt.
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Is it Aragorn to Éomer?
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It’s Aragorn. Not to Éomer.
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Was Gandalf the White present when it was spoken?
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No. But he was awaited....
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So, Aragorn is saying it. But not to one person, to many. For a given use of person (not ‘men’).
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