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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:57 pm 
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I believe he did but not in this sentence.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
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‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:04 pm 
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Hence the "kin-strife" in LOTR (appendices) and the "kinslayings" in the Silmarillion.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:13 pm 
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Is it related to the Scouring of the Shire?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:15 pm 
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No, earlier

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:33 pm 
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Is it related to the Rohirrim?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:35 pm 
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Yes!

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 pm 
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Is it Théoden:

"Foes and fire are before you, and your homes far behind."

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:03 pm 
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That's the one!

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:46 am 
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Woot!

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Tower Palace in all the world.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:02 pm 
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Hint time!

Key words remain, but the meaning is lost.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:21 pm 
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Is the word "Palace" in the original?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Ha! I didn't realize, it got distorted. Attracted an additional letter.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:18 pm 
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Of all the tower places in all the world, you had to walk into mine?

Does the original contain the word "grinning"?

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‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:00 pm 
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Frelga, you are actually quite close, with the sentence you wrote. Not in its meaning, but eerily close in construction...

And was anyone EVER grinning in LOTR?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:47 pm 
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Yup.

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'I don’t deny it,’ said Frodo, looking at Sam, who was now grinning. ‘I don’t deny it, but I’ll never believe you are sleeping again, whether you snore or not. I shall kick you hard to make sure.'

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:55 pm 
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I could have sworn there was a sentence about two towers grinning at each other. Maybe Gandalf to Saruman or Denethor?

And I have a vague memory of a sen....

Wait.

Is it this one?

"I would rather see him than all the towers and palaces in the world."

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:05 am 
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Frelga wrote:
I could have sworn there was a sentence about two towers grinning at each other. Maybe Gandalf to Saruman or Denethor?


You may be thinking of Frodo, speaking to Faramir about bringing the Ring to Minas Tirith: "Shall there be two cities of Minas Morgul, grinning at each other across a dead land filled with rottenness?"

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Frelga has the answer.

And what a great quote that is, VtF. So... evocative.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:51 pm 
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V, yes, that's the quote I meant!

This one would be too easy if not for the musical plot twist.

He is not the sort of person who likes to listen to jazz.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:22 pm 
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Was music mentioned in the original?

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